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What happens when a longtime podcast listener takes the leap into feature filmmaking? No Film School listener turned filmmaker Douglas A. Plomitallo joins GG Hawkins to share how he went from making 86 horror shorts to directing, self-financing, and securing distribution for his debut feature, Halloween Candy. Doug explains how he repurposed existing short films into a feature-length horror anthology, found a distributor, and built on that experience to create Halloween Candy 2. He also discusses balancing independent filmmaking with his full-time job as a director of photography for WWE, editing movies while traveling, stretching microbudgets with a skeleton crew, and learning to trust collaborators. His journey offers practical lessons on DIY filmmaking, cinematography, indie film distribution, and building a sustainable creative career.
In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guest Douglas A. Plomitallo discuss...
How a longtime No Film School listener went from aspiring filmmaker to releasing his first feature film
Learning filmmaking through 86 horror shorts over 15 years with his web series Scared Stiff
Why making mistakes, studying cinematography, and embracing constructive criticism can be more valuable than formal film school
Turning six existing Halloween short films into the feature-length horror anthology Halloween Candy
Finding independent film distribution by researching companies that release similar movies
How Halloween Candy found a larger streaming audience than its individual short films
Planning a horror sequel and building the foundation for a potential indie film franchise
Balancing a career as a WWE director of photography with writing, directing, and producing independent features
Editing a feature film on the road using Avid, DaVinci Resolve, After Effects, and portable hard drives
Stretching a microbudget by purchasing camera equipment, taking on multiple crew roles, and organizing shoots around locations
Shooting an hour of material in four days with a skeleton crew
Why trusting actors, welcoming better ideas, and admitting what you don't know are essential directing skills
Memorable Quotes:
"I feel like we learn more by mistakes, but here's the thing. It doesn't have to be your own mistake."
"Making my short films was my film school."
"If I lose my computer, I'm down a few thousand dollars, but the movie is safe."
"I'm not here to inflate my ego."
Guests:
Douglas A. Plomitallo
Resources:
Halloween Candy — Terror Films
Halloween Candy
Halloween Candy 2
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How do you adapt a novel that takes place almost entirely inside the stomach of a sperm whale? For writer-director Brian Duffield and Pulitzer Prize-winning author Daniel Kraus, the answer started with admitting they didn't know how to pull it off. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins speaks with Duffield and Kraus about bringing Whalefall, starring Austin Abrams and Josh Brolin, from page to screen. They discuss the scientific research behind the story, the challenges of adapting a novel with dozens of flashbacks, building practical whale interiors with Wētā Workshop, and directing a physically demanding survival thriller. Duffield explains why acknowledging uncertainty helped build trust with studio executives and how surrounding himself with collaborative crew members made an unusually challenging production possible. Plus, Kanopy's Aaron Spears and Matt Lewis stop by to discuss the Crypt Collection, practical effects in horror filmmaking, and the movies that continue to scare them.
In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guests discuss...
Kanopy's Crypt Collection and its curated selection of horror films, from folk horror and body horror to low-budget practical effects classics
Why practical effects remain a valuable filmmaking tool, with examples from Night of the Living Dead, The Toxic Avenger, Chopping Mall, and other horror films
How Daniel Kraus developed the premise of Whalefall through extensive research with marine biologists and diving experts
How Brian Duffield discovered the novel through a social media post and pursued the adaptation before the book was even finished
Why admitting "I don't know" during early studio conversations about Whalefall helped establish credibility rather than undermine it
The collaborative screenwriting process between Kraus and Duffield, including condensing roughly 50 to 60 novel flashbacks into a much smaller number of cinematic sequences
How the filmmakers balanced the emotional father-son relationship with a scientifically grounded survival thriller
Building the whale's moving stomachs and internal anatomy through practical sets, puppetry, visual effects, and experimentation with Wētā Workshop
How Duffield assembled a trusted film crew and managed unexpected production obstacles, including malfunctioning underwater camera equipment and broken lenses
Using production design, cinematography, and visual exposition to help audiences understand the geography of a whale's digestive system
Why creating a collaborative environment where everyone, from production assistants to Oscar-winning department heads, can contribute ideas leads to better filmmaking
How working together on Whalefall changed Kraus's approach to screenwriting and challenged his assumptions about being a solitary writer
Advice for emerging filmmakers on choosing collaborators, embracing creative uncertainty, and staying open to unexpected career opportunities
Memorable Quotes:
"It's just hiring people you like spending time with."
"I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know what the answer to this question is. I, I want help."
"Your definition of who you think you are as an artist or as a person or whatever, it's always in flux."
Guests:
Brian Duffield
Daniel Kraus
Aaron Spears — Kanopy
Matt Lewis — Kanopy
Resources:
Kanopy — Stream films free with your library
Whalefall — IMDb
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How do you bring Jane Austen's Sense and Sensibility to life for a modern audience while preserving its emotional depth? Director Georgia Oakley joins No Film School's GG Hawkins to discuss her new adaptation, starring Daisy Edgar-Jones and Esmé Creed-Miles as the Dashwood sisters. Oakley shares how she approached the film through the lens of sisterhood, longing, and the timeless tension between women's expectations and societal constraints. She breaks down her filmmaking process, from shooting on 35mm film and using two cameras to capture authentic performances, to collaborating with cinematographers Arnaud Potier and Tasha Back on naturalistic visuals. The conversation also explores casting, building chemistry between actors, adapting rehearsal techniques to individual performers, and navigating the pressures of an ambitious location-heavy production.
In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guest Georgia Oakley discuss...
(02:09) How Oakley landed the directing job on Sense and Sensibility and pitched her vision to Working Title
(03:24) Making the relationship between Elinor and Marianne Dashwood the film's central love story
(05:28) Why Austen's themes of women's independence, societal expectations, and romantic yearning remain relevant
(07:16) How modern hyperconnectivity and busyness have fueled a cultural desire for longing and human connection
(09:44) Using nature, stillness, and the passage of time to create intimacy in a period drama
(11:22) Oakley's pre-production process, including storyboards, shot lists, and adapting camera setups on location
(13:35) Collaborating with two cinematographers and using natural light and environmental details to build the film's visual language
(15:04) How shooting with two cameras allowed Oakley to capture simultaneous emotional reactions and spontaneous performances
(17:41) The challenges of shooting on 35mm film with limited takes and tailoring rehearsals to each actor's needs
(19:55) Filming at London's National Gallery under strict time and lighting constraints
(23:24) Building trust with actors through communication, personalized rehearsals, and relationship-focused preparation
(27:26) Casting Daisy Edgar-Jones and Esmé Creed-Miles and developing their believable sisterly chemistry
(33:15) How Oakley uses intense focus and directorial intuition to recognize authentic performances
(35:50) Redirecting actors when a scene isn't working without undermining their confidence
(37:59) Sustaining creative energy through a demanding 50-day shoot and relying on a supportive production team
(40:15) Working with Old English Sheepdogs and embracing the spontaneity animals bring to a film set
Memorable Quotes:
"This is really a story about what young women are kind of led to believe they might reasonably expect from their lives versus what the world is actually prepared to offer them."
"We live in a moment where we're so kind of hyper-connected, and we've invented all of these ways to reduce time, you know, to save time, but then we have less time than we ever had before."
"So much about directing is about being able to tune everything out so that you can have a stronger relationship with the gut instinct."
"None of it is possible on your own, and sometimes it does feel like a bit of a weird solo mission when you're directing something."
Guests:
Georgia Oakley
Resources:
Sense and Sensibility (2026)
Blue Jean (2022)
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Saturday Night Live’s prerecorded sketches can go from first footage to national broadcast in roughly 36 hours. Host GG Hawkins talks with SNL editors Christopher Salerno and Mak Makower about the post-production workflow behind that turnaround, including their work on the Emmy-nominated “MAHAspital” sketch starring Harry Styles. They break down how footage moves from set to the edit, why line-by-line stringouts are essential, how they use Adobe Premiere Pro tools like transcription, Essential Sound, multicam sequences, and reverse match frame, and how sound design helps build tension before a joke lands. They also discuss the differences between editing SNL, commercials, and longer narrative projects, the importance of collaboration in the edit room, and the technical habits aspiring editors can develop to work faster without sacrificing storytelling.
In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guests Christopher Salerno and Mak Makower discuss...
How SNL goes from Wednesday night table read to a finished prerecorded sketch airing Saturday
What happens when footage begins arriving from set on Friday morning
Why Mak creates “line-by-lines” containing every take of every scripted line
How organizing footage early allows editors, writers, and directors to make decisions quickly
Finding the visual language of “MAHAspital” while parodying HBO’s The Pitt
Using the structure and pacing of a trailer to increase the energy of a parody
Why Mak watched The Pitt during the edit to understand its characters and visual style
How Premiere Pro’s transcription and search tools make it easier to locate specific dialogue
Using the Essential Sound panel, EQ, reverb, panning, and the audio track mixer during picture editing
Why sound design can be essential to making comedy work
Building tension with heart monitors, ventilators, overlapping dialogue, and strategic silence
Keyboard shortcuts that speed up multicam editing and navigation through massive stringouts
How a longer commercial schedule can actually create new challenges by allowing editors to second-guess decisions
Editing Kate McKinnon’s Zoom commercial and balancing comedy with the need to sell a product
Why editors can function as storytellers, collaborators, and sometimes even therapists during long-form projects
Mak’s “puzzle-solving” approach to rearranging footage until a scene or story unlocks
Why trust, openness to feedback, and leaving ego outside the edit room matter on collaborative projects
How SNL’s dress audience functions as a real-time test screening
Why editors should continually learn new software, techniques, graphics, sound, and VFX tools
How YouTube tutorials and experimentation can help editors expand their skills and become more valuable
Memorable Quotes:
“There’s a real intuition you have to have and there’s a real understanding of rhythm and of, you know, how the shoot’s going to make this happen.”
“I feel like sometimes when you have too much time, it becomes almost more difficult.”
“And so, like, it really is about, like, finding each little bit that, like, will match with this little bit that, like, will actually tell a story.”
“As the tools change and as younger generations find newer ways to edit, it’s really important to just stay up to date and not get locked into your old ways.”
Guests:
Christopher Salerno
Mak Makower
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Writer-director Lee Kirk joins No Film School’s GG Hawkins to break down the making of Nimrods, his Green Day-inspired coming-of-age road movie. Kirk traces his path from studying acting at DePaul University to learning screenwriting and eventually directing, and explains how his acting background continues to shape the way he works with performers. He also discusses developing Nimrods with Billie Joe Armstrong, weaving real stories from Green Day into the screenplay, casting and rehearsing a young ensemble, building a collaborative crew, creating a timeless visual texture, embracing improvisation, and shooting a live Green Day concert with thousands of actual fans.
In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guest Lee Kirk discuss...
How Kirk’s acting training at DePaul University led him toward screenwriting and directing
Learning story structure through John Truby’s 22-step approach and The Anatomy of Story
How Chris Messina encouraged Kirk to direct his first feature, The Giant Mechanical Man
Why an acting background can help directors understand how to communicate with performers
How Billie Joe Armstrong approached Kirk with the initial premise for Nimrods
Reverse engineering a feature screenplay from a predetermined Green Day concert ending
Using real stories from Billie Joe Armstrong, Mike Dirnt, and Tré Cool as inspiration for the screenplay
Drawing from movies like The Goonies, Vacation, Footloose, and Risky Business to establish the film’s tone
Making a contemporary movie feel nostalgic through vinyl, cassettes, camcorders, old cars, and other analog textures
What Kirk looks for when hiring department heads and why collaborative problem-solving matters
Turning an Oklahoma City junkyard into a convincing punk venue
Casting Mason Thames, Mckenna Grace, and the rest of the young ensemble
Using actors’ existing talents to add specificity and production value to a movie
Conducting chemistry reads over Zoom when the budget made in-person auditions impractical
Why rehearsal is less about locking down performances and more about making actors comfortable enough to play on set
Helping actors get out of their heads by giving them time, space, and permission to experiment
Using long pauses as a directing tool to help actors access emotion
Why Kirk deliberately maintains a calm demeanor on set, even when production is stressful
Finding unexpected moments through ad-libs and improvisation, including a spontaneous Fred Armisen scene
Shooting 28 days in Oklahoma City before moving to Los Angeles for four additional days
Capturing the Green Day concert with four cameras and roughly 2,000 real Green Day fans
Why Kirk specifically budgeted for large numbers of extras after lessons learned on previous productions
Kirk’s advice for emerging filmmakers on studying story structure, watching films analytically, writing frequently, and taking advantage of accessible filmmaking tools
Memorable Quotes:
“I listen to these tapes and everything changed for me then.”
“I feel like that's kinda like when the best stuff happens because now everyone's out of their comfort zone, but everyone's prepared so everyone can do, make that pivot.”
“Even if I'm not calm, even if I'm feeling so stressed out on the inside, I just put forward this feeling like I'm good. I know what I'm doing. Everything's fine.”
“Story is everything.”
Guests:
Lee Kirk
Resources:
Nimrods on IMDb
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Ryan Koo and Jourdan Aldredge report from Fantastic Fest 2026 in Austin, Texas, where they explore how the festival is expanding beyond exhibiting genre films to helping filmmakers actually get movies made. They break down the first completed feature from Fantastic Pitches, Nicholas Curcio’s Playhouse, what filmmakers can learn from its $100,000 production, and this year’s ambitious winning pitch, Father Figure. They also discuss the value of pitching even when you don’t win, the advantages of designing films around microbudget constraints, and some of the movies and filmmaking communities they’ve encountered at the festival.
In this episode, No Film School's Ryan Koo and Jourdan Aldredge discuss...
How Playhouse went from winning Fantastic Pitches to premiering at Fantastic Fest in just one year
Designing a $100,000 movie around limitations like one location, a small cast, and practical aesthetics
Why microbudget filmmakers need a creative “hack” that makes their limitations work for the movie
How filmmakers can make a live pitch memorable with props, costumes, trailers, and a strong presentation
Why being selected for Fantastic Pitches can create opportunities even if you don't win
The ambitious Technocrane strategy behind this year’s winning pitch, Father Figure
What Ryan and Jordan noticed about the DIY films, filmmaking collectives, and genre community at Fantastic Fest
Why festivals can have a bigger impact by supporting filmmakers before their movies are made
Memorable Quotes:
“With filmmaking it's always good, fast, cheap. Pick two. And with Fantastic Pitches, they're trying to do all three.”
“You've gotta have a hack to make your pitch audience-friendly.”
“The best route is the one that's available to you probably.”
“It's easy to select things that turned out well. It's much harder to bet on them at the beginning and to actually help them bring something to fruition.”
Resources:
Fantastic Fest
Fantastic Pitches
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Recorded at Fantastic Fest 2026 in Austin, No Film School founder Ryan Koo talks with Into the Sky writer-directors Drew Mylrea and Evan Buxbaum about the decade-long path to making their sci-fi comedy. They trace the project from an early script that Evan initially rejected through Black List evaluations, financing, casting Sam Richardson, and an ambitious 25-day production with dozens of locations and hundreds of VFX shots. Drew and Evan also explain how they divided responsibilities as co-directors, used LiDAR scans and Lego figures to pre-visualize scenes, navigated production setbacks, tested unfinished cuts with audiences, and learned to trust their instincts while making an independent film designed to feel like a blockbuster.
In this episode, No Film School's Ryan Koo and guests Drew Mylrea and Evan Buxbaum discuss...
How Drew and Evan became filmmaking collaborators after spending hours together shooting a Method soap commercial in a tiny shower
Evan’s experience making Sun Belt Express and the long gap between his first and second features
Why Drew kept returning to the alien-abduction concept that eventually became Into the Sky
Revisiting old material after years of becoming better writers and filmmakers
How strong Black List evaluations gave the filmmakers psychological momentum to commit to the project
Spending roughly two years rewriting the script and assembling financing
Why casting director Kate Geller became an important part of building the movie’s cast
How attaching Sam Richardson helped the project gain momentum
The pressures created when an in-demand actor gives an independent production a narrow shooting window
Walking away from a “turnkey” production-services solution that would have forced most of the movie onto a single estate
Finding the town of Catskill, New York, and rebuilding their location strategy around what the movie actually needed
Why filmmakers sometimes have to reject the easiest logistical solution when it threatens the film creatively
Shooting the movie in 25 days while managing frequent company moves
How Drew and Evan divided directing responsibilities according to their complementary strengths
Drew’s focus on visual storytelling, camera placement, and spectacle versus Evan’s focus on performance, character, and dialogue
Using iPhone LiDAR scans and Polycam to create digital models of locations
Printing location blueprints and using custom Lego figures and a Lego camera to block scenes with the AD and cinematographer
Building detailed storyboards and turning them into rough animatics for complicated sequences
Trying to create an “indie blockbuster” without a blockbuster budget
The challenge of completing approximately 500 visual-effects shots with an extremely small VFX team
Why extensive preparation became a starting point for improvisation once production problems appeared
Delaying a cornfield sequence until the final day of photography so the corn would be tall enough for the scene
How rain, heat, scheduling problems, and other uncontrollable factors reshaped the production
Watching dailies and determining whether scenes needed to be reshot
Why a scene they believed needed a reshoot ultimately used mostly material from the original shoot
Working 12-hour shooting days followed by another four or five hours of preparation each night
Splitting up the first stages of post-production so Drew could eventually watch the assembly with fresh eyes
Why comedy becomes difficult to judge after watching the same material dozens of times
Screening cuts for friends and family to measure real laughter and audience energy
Using QR codes and Google Forms to collect individual reactions before a group discussion could influence everyone’s opinions
Measuring character likability and other audience responses between different test screenings
Asking test audiences to respond to major VFX sequences while those sequences were still extremely unfinished
The moment completed visual effects and music finally made the filmmakers feel that the movie was working
Their goal of making large, entertaining movies with heart on an independent scale
Why Drew and Evan believe their filmmaking education ultimately came from making things, making mistakes, and “touching the stove”
Memorable Quotes:
“If I have any takeaway from that, it's that, like, in those moments of extreme pressure when you have a lot of competing interests that have started rolling down on you, you've just gotta trust your gut.”
“We always called this movie an indie blockbuster. You know, we were trying to make an indie film that felt like a blockbuster.”
“We went in with a great plan, and then you get hit in the fucking face. And your plan becomes the launching point for an improvisational new plan.”
“We learned by making mistakes and doing things out in the world. We learned by touching the stove.”
Guests:
Drew Mylrea
Evan Buxbaum
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Writer-director-actor Leah McKendrick joins GG Hawkins to break down the long road to getting Voicemails for Isabelle made after years in development. McKendrick traces her unconventional path from aspiring pop singer to independent filmmaker, studio screenwriter, and director, explaining how the frustration of watching projects stall pushed her to bet on herself and make Scrambled. She shares how directing that indie feature changed the way studios saw her, helped her reclaim Voicemails for Isabelle, and ultimately led to Netflix and Sony backing her as its director. The conversation also covers navigating Hollywood development, creating opportunities without permission, collaborating with cinematographer Julia Swain, protecting your creative voice, and applying an indie filmmaking mindset at the studio level.
In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guest Leah McKendrick discuss...
How McKendrick went from pursuing a career as a pop singer to discovering filmmaking and directing at Chapman University
Why writing and directing her own projects became a way to create opportunities instead of waiting for permission
How Destroy the Alpha Gammas and M.F.A. helped establish her as a writer, producer, actor, and filmmaker
The reality of working as a studio screenwriter and spending years writing projects that may never reach production
The original inspiration for Voicemails for Isabelle and why McKendrick wrote the first draft in only a few weeks
How the screenplay quickly sold, landed on the Black List, and attracted major talent before spending years in development
Why repeated studio regime changes and canceled projects ultimately pushed McKendrick toward directing
The breaking point that inspired her to write, finance, and direct Scrambled rather than wait for another studio green light
Why filmmakers need to understand their own taste rather than believing a director must personally master every technical department
How McKendrick's collaboration with cinematographer Julia Swain helped her translate emotion and instinct into a visual language
Why directors need to communicate and reiterate their vision differently for every department head
How Scrambled allowed McKendrick to demonstrate through her actions that she was no longer interested in being only a writer-for-hire
Why McKendrick avoids reading reviews and instead focuses on whether she made the film she intended to make
How the success of Scrambled changed the industry's perception of McKendrick as a director
How Netflix approached Sony about Voicemails for Isabelle and Sony agreed to move forward with McKendrick directing
Why years of studio relationships that once seemed fruitless ultimately became valuable when McKendrick was ready to direct
The importance of betting on yourself, embracing the unusual parts of your voice, and refusing to assume that following the traditional path will eventually lead to the work you want to make
Memorable Quotes:
“The most beautiful thing that it gave me was this realization that I could create my own work and that I didn't have to ask for permission.”
“All you need to know is what you like, and be a student of film, and be a student of your own taste.”
“Every time that I have gotten rebellious and that I have put my foot down, that is when something fruits.”
“If anybody could walk away from my interviews with one piece of wisdom or advice, it would always be to bet on yourself and to not wait for permission, and to believe in your weirdest stories and the weirdest parts of yourself.”
Guests:
Leah McKendrick
Resources:
Having Indie Discipline at Studio Scale: How Julia Swain Shot 'Voicemails for Isabelle'
How to Build a Pitch Deck
Indie Filmmakers: You Don't Need Julia Roberts to Make Your Indie Comedy
How To Cut Like an Anthropologist from 'Scrambled’ & ‘Alpha’ Editor Sandra Granovsky
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Writer-director Sabrina Greco joins No Film School to discuss the making of her feature debut, Lockjaw, a dark comedy centered on a woman whose jaw is wired shut after a car accident. Greco explains how the project grew from a short into a feature, why she committed to an 11-day all-night shoot in Los Angeles, and how a tight-knit filmmaking community helped make the production possible. She also breaks down directing Blu Hunt’s physically constrained but highly expressive lead performance, adapting scenes when they stopped working on set, using two cameras to move quickly, and drawing on her editing background to reshape the film in post-production.
In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guest Sabrina Greco discuss...
How Greco went from studying film at Boston University to editing for digital media, Nickelodeon, and feature films
Why filmmakers like John Cassavetes and the mumblecore movement changed the way she thought about feature filmmaking
How Lockjaw evolved organically from a 25–30 page short into Greco’s first feature
Planning the production a year in advance so winter’s early sunsets would make an entirely nighttime shoot more manageable
Building the film around an existing Los Angeles creative community of actors and crew members
How producer Abbie Jones helped secure a house where the production could shoot for eight of its 11 days
Deciding to move forward with the movie after Greco lost her job during the Hollywood strikes
Developing Rayna as an active, magnetic, self-destructive protagonist rather than a passive victim
How Blu Hunt approached Rayna without judging the character’s choices
Using Rayna’s wired jaw as both a physical filmmaking constraint and a source of conflict, comedy, and miscommunication
Why Greco wanted Rayna’s accident to complicate her behavior rather than simply justify it
Shooting an 80-page feature in 11 days using two Canon XF605 cameras, small crews, autofocus, and minimal lens changes
Rehearsing and blocking scenes before sunset so the production could begin shooting immediately once it was dark
How Greco, Blu Hunt, and Colin Burgess reworked a breakup scene on set when its original tone stopped working
Learning when a director needs to stop rushing, reconsider a scene, and ask collaborators for help
How Greco’s editing background helped her know which shots were essential and which material could be sacrificed
Cutting entire storylines that were not serving Rayna’s central story
Bringing in co-editor Neal Wynne when Greco needed fresh ideas, then returning to the film for the fine cut
The process of getting Lockjaw into Slamdance and finally watching audiences respond to the film
What Greco learned about LLCs, paperwork, and production infrastructure that she applied to her next project
Why making a feature reinforced the importance of trusting collaborators instead of believing the director has to solve everything alone
Memorable Quotes:
“I’m going to make this happen no matter what.”
“But it would be so much more fun if it was the opposite.”
“Take a step back. You need to figure this out. Like, it’s okay if it takes 10 minutes away from shooting.”
“Anything’s on the chopping block. I don’t care what it is. Like, if it’s, it’s not working, it’s not working.”
Guest:
Sabrina Greco
Resources:
Lockjaw on IMDb
Lockjaw on Instagram
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Writer-director Alex Ullom and producers Carrie Carusone and Evan Barber break down the unconventional path behind It Ends, their micro-budget indie horror feature about four friends trapped on an endless road. They explain how they raised their initial financing, leaned on their filmmaking community, turned production limitations into creative advantages, and used multiple rounds of strategic reshoots to transform an early cut that wasn’t working. The team also shares how they cut a Jeep in half to shoot on an LED volume stage, navigated an expensive and complicated post-production process, premiered at SXSW, and generated enough grassroots momentum through the online horror community and Letterboxd to ultimately land a theatrical release with Neon.
In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guests Alex Ullom, Carrie Carusone, and Evan Barber discuss…
How graduating from film school during the pandemic pushed the team toward making an independent feature
Raising the initial micro-budget through unconventional investors, personal connections, and community support
How Florida State University’s alumni equipment package made a $30,000 feature possible
Why paying crew something—even on an extremely limited budget—was important to the producers
Discovering in the edit that the first version of It Ends wasn’t working
Why indie filmmakers should stop thinking of reshoots as a sign of failure
Using test screenings to identify pacing problems, missing emotional beats, and scenes that needed additional coverage
Designing a contained film that could be affordably reconstructed for multiple rounds of pickups
Balancing the film’s horror and hangout-movie elements through pacing and visual language
Cutting a Jeep Cherokee in half to get it onto an LED volume stage
Rebuilding the Jeep interior and using the removable vehicle to create otherwise impossible camera angles
Why the filmmakers pulled out of Fantasia to continue improving the movie
Maintaining continuity when returning to the same actors and characters two years after principal photography
The editing workflow Alex developed to compare multiple performances of the same line
Using low-pass filtering, bass, sound design, and close-ups to create production value on an indie budget
What Alex learned from an extremely disorganized Premiere timeline
Premiering at SXSW during an especially difficult independent film distribution market
Why strong festival reviews and sold-out screenings didn’t automatically lead to a distribution deal
The changing economics of minimum guarantees for independent films
How online horror creators helped generate new momentum for It Ends
The film’s path from Letterboxd’s video store program to a theatrical release with Neon
Why filmmakers should focus on making the strongest movie possible rather than designing a project specifically for a major festival
How the lessons from It Ends changed the team’s approach to their next features
Previsualizing an entire movie before production to eliminate setups and solve story problems
Using executive producer credits strategically when raising additional financing
Practical advice for protecting hard drives, feeding a small crew, and building a trusted filmmaking community
Memorable Quotes:
“I'm a huge advocate for reshoots.”
“And on that Saturday we got it onto the stage and it, and it fit through that hallway with a literal quarter of an inch clearance on either side, and that's like, that's not an exaggeration.”
“I hope that this film can live kinda like when I first saw Slacker for the first time, and it was just like, oh, all you really need is a camera and two faces talking to each other.”
“At the end of the day, surround yourself, your entire crew with people you trust creatively.”
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Alex Ullom
Carrie Carusone
Evan Barber
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