If you need some winter garden inspiration, this is the episode for you. @ellenmarygardening and @mr_plantgeek chat with Benjamin Pope @theworkinggarden all about how to add plenty of winter interest to your garden. Not just in larger gardens, but even in containers. Ben provides some really exciting combinations to brighten up any patio pot for the colder months of the year. Plus hear all about Ben's career and exciting 'retirement' project.   Afterwards Michael chats with Julie Parker @parkers_patch for the gossip, filling in for Ellen who was otherwise engaged!   Series 16 is sponsored by Grow This, Not That - the Substack about new plants, horticulture news, botanical travel and more from Michael Perry.  https://mrplantgeek.substack.com