What if the greatest act of courage in our modern world that demands ‘yes’ is simply learning how to say ‘no’?

In this episode, Niall sits down with Dr. Sunita Sah, an organizational psychologist, former physician, and author of Defy, whose groundbreaking research explores the psychology of compliance, ethical resistance, and decision-making under pressure. Together, they dive into the forces that shape our willingness to conform, from the Milgram Experiment to the silent pressures in society. They discuss why saying ‘no’ is one of the most powerful skills we can develop, how cultural and social conditioning make defiance so difficult, and why compliance is fueling the erosion of democracy and our response to global crises. Most importantly, Dr. Sah shares practical strategies to break free from the invisible chains of expectation and reclaim our ability to stand up for what’s right.

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