Ron Lieber of The New York Times joins Felix Salmon, Emily Peck and Anna Szymanski to talk about his book The Price You Pay for College on the economics of higher education, and how to work within the (terrible) system to get the COVID-19 vaccine. 

In the Slate Plus segment: Pardons. 

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Podcast production by Jessamine Molli.

Twitter: @felixsalmon, @Three_Guineas, @EmilyRPeck

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