Richard Tucker has seen every phase of retail, from enclosed malls to mixed-use, and still chooses the least glamorous corner of the sector: small-bay, necessity-driven strip centers. As CEO of Tucker Development, a 10MM square foot development company, he's now systematizing that playbook into a Midwest portfolio with modest leverage, steady cash, and an exit designed for institutions. In a market obsessed with timing the rate cycle, this is an operator's strategy: buy centers with proven tenancy, fix physical frictions (depth, access, service lanes), keep leverage low (60–65%), hedge rates, and let small rent steps compound at the portfolio level. It's less about shiny anchors and more about durable local habits. Richard and I discuss:

1. Why unanchored strips now.
2. What is WALD and how does it drive resilience and investor returns?
3. Best practices for taking on debt.
4. How 'boring' can yield a 9% current pay.
5. Why taxes matter and what not to look at.

If you're underwriting the next two years as an operator, not a speculator, Tucker's checklist is a useful filter for deal flow you can own through volatility. His team spends more time on downside than upside and builds something a bigger buyer can actually absorb. That discipline is scarce. Tune in to hear how Richard separates cosmetic "retail" from real, necessity-based demand and why "good real estate with good business plans always wins out." *** In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing. With insights from economists, academics, and seasoned professionals, this show helps investors respond to market uncertainty with clarity, discipline, and a focus on downside protection. Subscribe to my free newsletter for timely updates, insights, and tools to help you navigate today's volatile real estate landscape. You'll get:

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• Insights from real estate professionals who've been through it all before.

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Michael Procopio runs a fourth-generation, vertically integrated ground up multifamily development company, Procopio Companies, that's active across the Northeast, Carolinas, Texas, and Florida, 10–12 ground-up projects at a time, from entitlement through construction and hospitality-style management. In other words: he's shipping when many sponsors can't. In my conversation with Michael, we talked about how to get deals done in a market where institutions say they're "active" but still hesitate, why capital structure, not just cap rates, decides feasibility, and where the next leg of multifamily growth may come from (hint: the Northeast, but not how you think). Here are five questions Michael answers that matter if you're deploying real dollars in 2025–26:

1. How should sponsors weigh institutional equity vs. family offices vs. syndicated HNW?
2. Why are institutions "skittish" on development even in top markets and what can sponsors do about it?
3. What's the real cost impact of tariffs and immigration enforcement on ground up construction?
4. Where is Procopio putting shovels in the ground now?
5. What's the case for build-to-rent in the Northeast?

We also cover why OZs remain underused by family offices despite flexible timing and the ability to refi out capital mid-hold while keeping cash flow. If you're serious about building, and owning, the levers that create feasibility, you'll find this one useful. Tune in to hear how Michael is aligning capital, costs, and city hall to move 10–12 projects while the herd watches the headlines. *** In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing. With insights from economists, academics, and seasoned professionals, this show helps investors respond to market uncertainty with clarity, discipline, and a focus on downside protection. Subscribe to my free newsletter for timely updates, insights, and tools to help you navigate today's volatile real estate landscape. You'll get:

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• Insights from real estate professionals who've been through it all before.

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Sean Burton runs one of the most integrated multifamily platforms on the West Coast. As CEO of Cityview, he oversees development, construction management, and property management across ~40 assets in supply-constrained markets. That full-stack view matters right now because capital is moving—and underwriting discipline will separate winners from passengers. Theme: Debt is back, development capital is selectively returning, and OZ 2.0 arrives in 2027. But the only rate that really matters for valuations is the 10-year, not the headline cut. If you build your thesis on structure, not dirt, regime changes will find you out. Five questions Sean answers:

1. What's actually happening in debt? Why are private-credit spreads at cycle lows and banks re-entering, and how should sponsors lock terms without over-betting on near-term policy cuts?
2. Where is equity leaning now? Why are insurance companies and bulge-bracket managers warming to development in true supply-constraints—and why are coastal markets back in the conversation?
3. Do tariffs and immigration enforcement change cost and schedule? What did a 17-sub deep-dive reveal about hard costs (+2.7%) vs. headline noise—and how should you interrogate your supply chain?
4. How should investors think about policy-driven liquidity (Basel relief, rate cuts) vs. the cap-rate anchor at the long end? Where's the line between stimulus and a "sugar-rush" that lifts the 10-year?
5. What can cities do—practically—to attract capital? Why San Diego's timeline certainty (with real affordability requirements) is winning 1,000-unit pipelines while LA's political risk still prices deals wider.

If you're underwriting 2025–27, this episode is a field guide: fundamentals over financial engineering, explicit policy-risk pricing, a 2027 OZ relaunch plan, and a daily read on the 10-year. Capital is available; discipline is scarce. Tune in for the full conversation with Sean Burton, CEO of Cityview—and pressure-test your next IC memo against his playbook. *** In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing. With insights from economists, academics, and seasoned professionals, this show helps investors respond to market uncertainty with clarity, discipline, and a focus on downside protection. Subscribe to my free newsletter for timely updates, insights, and tools to help you navigate today's volatile real estate landscape. You'll get:

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• Insights from real estate professionals who've been through it all before.

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My podcast guest this week is Chris Garner, CEO, Avanti Residential, an owner-operator with thousands of units across seven states, who has four decades in the trenches. Garner explains how the multifamily market is bottoming – with local nuance. The past two years weren't a demand recession, he says, so much as a supply shock in growth metros. Concessions did the absorbing. Now we're approaching the peak of deliveries in places like Nashville, Denver, and Phoenix but investment committees are still anchored to five-year IRR math and negative-leverage scar tissue. His take on timing is blunt – "We're at the bottom of the multifamily cycle, if not the beginning of the recovery," but the irony is that capital is still sidelined. Investment committees remain cautious, waiting for "clear evidence" that fundamentals have turned, even though the best returns are made before that clarity arrives. As Garner put it, everyone talks about not following the herd, "but everybody's part of the herd." When deals finally reprice and capital moves, the easy money is gone. "That's when the best deals get missed because you couldn't raise capital when it was actually the right time to buy." Five questions Chris and I discuss:

1. Where are we in the cycle?
2. What does an efficient operating model look like now?
3. How should value-add evolve?
4. What's the realistic path to transacting again?
5. What hold period wins from here?

Tune in for the full conversation with Chris Garner, CEO, Avanti Residential - a masterclass in operating discipline, market selection, and underwriting in the real world. *** In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing. With insights from economists, academics, and seasoned professionals, this show helps investors respond to market uncertainty with clarity, discipline, and a focus on downside protection. Subscribe to my free newsletter for timely updates, insights, and tools to help you navigate today's volatile real estate landscape. You'll get:

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• Real implications of macro trends for investors and sponsors with actionable guidance.
• Insights from real estate professionals who've been through it all before.

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When workout specialist Norman Radow sat across from a developer who'd just lost a half-billion-dollar condo project in LA and asked what he'd change, the developer pounded the table, "I wouldn't change a thing. I did everything right!" That's when Norman knew exactly why he was there. Norman Radow is CEO of The RADCO Companies, an Atlanta-based opportunistic real estate firm that has acquired, invested in, and operated over 30,000 multifamily units across 15 markets and completed more than 100 deals totaling $3.3 billion over the past decade. But his story begins earlier – as Lehman Brothers' off-balance-sheet workout specialist, where he earned the title "workout king" from The New York Times in 2009 after unwinding some of the most complex distressed assets in modern real estate history. In this conversation, Norman shares battle-tested wisdom from three decades of buying buildings nobody else wanted – from the savings and loan crisis through the GFC to today's market paralysis. Five questions answered:

• Why did Norman wait three years to get back into the distress game – and what finally triggered his return?
• What do ALL failed condo projects he studied have in common? (Hint: it's not what you think.)
• Why are banks giving free extensions to sponsors with "unclean hands" instead of bringing in fresh operators?
• Where is institutional capital flowing right now – and why non-institutional investors shouldn't compete there.
• What's the real story behind "extend and pretend" 2.0?

If you're trying to make sense of today's multifamily market – the disconnect between debt and equity, why distressed deals aren't trading, and where smart money should position for the next 24-36 months – this delivers hard-earned pattern recognition from someone who's seen this movie before. *** In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing. With insights from economists, academics, and seasoned professionals, this show helps investors respond to market uncertainty with clarity, discipline, and a focus on downside protection. Subscribe to my free newsletter for timely updates, insights, and tools to help you navigate today's volatile real estate landscape. You'll get:

• Straight talk on what happens when confidence meets correction - no hype, no spin, no fluff.
• Real implications of macro trends for investors and sponsors with actionable guidance.
• Insights from real estate professionals who've been through it all before.

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My guest today is David Lynn, PhD — CEO of Unity Investment Management, a private-equity real-estate firm with nearly $1 billion AUM across 74 medical outpatient buildings nationwide. A London School of Economics PhD and MIT MBA, David cuts through macro confusion with a steady, data-driven view of where capital and demographics are really pulling the market.

Driving Thesis: America's aging population and the rise of personalized medicine, longevity science, and AI diagnostics are reshaping health-care real estate. Telehealth doesn't kill in-person visits — it creates more of them. And as construction costs rise and MOB supply stays tight, low-beta sectors like medical outpatient buildings are poised to outperform high-volatility multifamily and office assets.

Why it matters: We're entering a post-banquet cycle — after 15 years of ultra-cheap debt and compressed cap rates. David argues that the "easy-money era" is over, but patient investors still win through cash-flow discipline and blend-and-extend lender relationships. Medical tenants are non-discretionary and financially stable; that stability will anchor returns as rates ease and capital markets thaw.

Five questions David answers:

1. Why MOBs held their value while multifamily stumbled.

2. How telemedicine actually drives physical visits.

3. What AI and genomics mean for future space demand.

4. Where we are in the cap-rate cycle (and why this may be the bottom).

5. How tariffs, immigration, and Fed policy feed through to CRE pricing.

Takeaways for sponsors & LPs: • Favor low-volatility sectors with durable cash flow. • Shorter leases can beat inflation without adding risk. • Blend and extend — don't panic-sell distress. • Watch employment and energy as deflationary signals. • AI and aging will drive demand more than interest rates.

If you believe steady beats speculative, this episode maps how to navigate the new cycle with a scientist-investor's lens — one rooted in data, discipline, and durable demand. David Lynn is that rare voice who bridges macro economics and boots-on-the-ground real estate with clarity and calm.

*** In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing. With insights from economists, academics, and seasoned professionals, this show helps investors respond to market uncertainty with clarity, discipline, and a focus on downside protection. Subscribe to my free newsletter for timely updates, insights, and tools to help you navigate today's volatile real estate landscape. You'll get:

• Straight talk on what happens when confidence meets correction - no hype, no spin, no fluff.
• Real implications of macro trends for investors and sponsors with actionable guidance.
• Insights from real estate professionals who've been through it all before.

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My guest today is Ryan Severino, Chief Economist & Head of Research at private equity real estate shop, BGO ($89 billion of AUM), who cuts through the macro noise with a practical roadmap for real estate sponsors and their investors. Driving Thesis: A new administration: slower immigration, volatile trade policy, and accelerating AI. These three forces are reshaping growth, hiring, space demand, and cap rates. If you're waiting for "inflation down → all clear," you'll miss the real drivers. Why it matters: The biggest hit was capital-markets math. If the Fed guides toward neutral (where the Fed's actions neither stimulate nor restrains economic growth) and the long end eases (10/30 year treasury yields come down), origination, transactions, and pricing can recover faster than fundamentals. Durable investment returns still come down to labor, not inflation headlines. Five questions Ryan answers:

1. Today's savvy investors should be looking at what?
2. What is the cleanest macro signal for CRE?
3. Tariffs vs. uncertainty; what's worse?
4. Rate cuts: boon or "sugar rush"?
5. Where will AI hit property first?

Takeaways for sponsors & LPs:

• Underwrite to jobs, not CPI (inflation) chatter.
• Get hyper-local; this is a geography-led cycle.
• Favor durable demand pools (workforce housing).
• Expect a capital-markets thaw before a fundamental boom.
• Treat uncertainty as baseline; build flexibility into debt and expand equity capital sources.

If you're separating signal from noise, this episode re-anchors the playbook: watch payrolls, heed forward guidance, underwrite locally, own real demand. According to ChatGPT's analysis of Ryan's historical predictions, he has 'called the cycle's shape better than most; no overreaction to inflation, no premature recession warnings, and consistent recognition of labor market strength and capital flow dynamics. That's a rare track record, especially in a market where even top-tier macro shops have missed big turns.' Ryan's the real deal – hardly any wonder he's Chief Economist at an $89 billion AUM shop. *** In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing. With insights from economists, academics, and seasoned professionals, this show helps investors respond to market uncertainty with clarity, discipline, and a focus on downside protection. Subscribe to my free newsletter for timely updates, insights, and tools to help you navigate today's volatile real estate landscape. You'll get:

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• Insights from real estate professionals who've been through it all before.

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Erica Groshen knows what's behind the numbers. She served as the 14th Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics and a Vice President at the New York Fed. The BLS is rarely in the headlines but political assaults on its independence have suddenly made its work front-page news. At stake: whether the data that guide trillions in investment and policy decisions can still be trusted. In our conversation, Erica and I explored five questions that matter not just for CRE professionals, but for anyone trying to make sense of today's economy:

1. What happens to markets when political leaders undermine trust in official statistics?
2. How would a politicized Fed and BLS reshape the cost of capital and risk across the economy?
3. How is the nation's labor data actually gathered?
4. Why does the BLS's data matter so much for the business and CRE cycle?
5. How does the Fed use labor data to set interest rates?

This isn't an abstract debate. For commercial real estate, cap rates, borrowing costs, and deal structures all trace back to the business cycle - and that cycle is measured first and foremost by BLS data. If you want to look beyond today's headlines and hear why institutional trust translates directly into your cost of capital — this is the episode to listen to. *** In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing. With insights from economists, academics, and seasoned professionals, this show helps investors respond to market uncertainty with clarity, discipline, and a focus on downside protection. Subscribe to my free newsletter for timely updates, insights, and tools to help you navigate today's volatile real estate landscape. You'll get:

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• Insights from real estate professionals who've been through it all before.

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Greg MacKinnon is Director of Research at the Pension Real Estate Association (PREA), where he updates the world's largest institutional investors on portfolio construction, risk, and strategy. His is a vantage point most sponsors never get to hear directly.

In this conversation, Greg and I revisited our conversation from two weeks ago to drill deeper into the housing market. His thesis is simple but surprising: the capital flows and risk assessments at the very top of the pyramid are being reshaped by renter bifurcation and the economics of affordability.

Here are five questions Greg answered that every serious CRE professional should consider:

1. Why does the 10-year Treasury matter more than the Fed's 25 bps rate cut last week?
2. How fragile is today's economy, and what does that mean for institutional portfolio construction?
3. How can understanding the "barbell" of renter demand help you make better investment decisions?
4. Why has naturally affordable multifamily historically outperformed luxury on a risk-adjusted basis?
5. Where are institutions actually deploying capital today and why?

Greg's insights are drawn from the institutional world, where the stakes are measured in billions and the lens is long-term risk management.

For sponsors and operators, listening in offers a rare chance to see how these investors are evaluating markets - and to align your own strategies accordingly.

*** In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing. With insights from economists, academics, and seasoned professionals, this show helps investors respond to market uncertainty with clarity, discipline, and a focus on downside protection. Subscribe to my free newsletter for timely updates, insights, and tools to help you navigate today's volatile real estate landscape. You'll get:

• Straight talk on what happens when confidence meets correction - no hype, no spin, no fluff.
• Real implications of macro trends for investors and sponsors with actionable guidance.
• Insights from real estate professionals who've been through it all before.

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Reid Bennett knows multifamily. As National Council Chair of Multifamily at SVN and a 24-year broker across market-rate, workforce, and affordable housing, he's completed hundreds of transactions and advised lenders on more than 450 broker opinions of value (BOV) in just the past 18 months. In my recent conversation with him, Reid cuts through the noise to explain what's really happening in multifamily and why sponsors and investors need to pay attention. Here are five big questions he answers:

1. Are the 450+ BOVs a sign that distress is about to hit multifamily, or just lenders marking time?
2. Why are occupancies still in the mid-90s when everything else in the economy feels shaky?
3. What's crushing NOI faster - insurance, property taxes, or payroll?
4. How should investors think about workforce housing as a long-term hedge against oversupply at the top end?
5. Why do Class A buildings show concessions while B and C rents remain sticky, and how does new supply really solve affordability?

This isn't 2009, but it isn't 2021 either. Reid explains why today's market feels like a slow-motion reset and what signals to watch if you want to stay ahead. Tune in to hear Reid's unvarnished take. *** In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing. With insights from economists, academics, and seasoned professionals, this show helps investors respond to market uncertainty with clarity, discipline, and a focus on downside protection. Subscribe to my free newsletter for timely updates, insights, and tools to help you navigate today's volatile real estate landscape. You'll get:

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• Insights from real estate professionals who've been through it all before.

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