In Don't @ Me (2:05), Tom talks about why it's time to retire the expression "Wait until they get into the Real World." Tom is then joined by best-selling author Dr. Anthony Muhammad (15:32) for part 1 of their discussion about the racial equity work in society. In the News (44:21) includes stories about learning pods and the curriculum reviews taking place in many school districts. Assessment Corner (58:47) includes a question about "leveled questions" and Tom expands on last week's conversation about feedback. Finally, in Tweets of the Week (1:10:33), Tom highlights the #ATAssessment Twitter chat and the four moderators: Katie White (@KatieWhite426), Mandy Stalets (@MandyStalets), Ken Mattingly (@kenmattingly), and Anisa Baker-Busby (@AnisaBusby). 
 
Email the Podcast: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Follow the Podcast on Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Follow Tom on Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Facebook &. Instagram: Schimmer Education

In Don't @ Me (2:05), Tom talks about why it's time to retire the expression "Wait until they get into the Real World." Tom is then joined by best-selling author Dr. Anthony Muhammad (15:32) for part 1 of their discussion about the racial equity work in society. In the News (44:21) includes stories about learning pods and the curriculum reviews taking place in many school districts. Assessment Corner (58:47) includes a question about "leveled questions" and Tom expands on last week's conversation about feedback. Finally, in Tweets of the Week (1:10:33), Tom highlights the #ATAssessment Twitter chat and the four moderators: Katie White (@KatieWhite426), Mandy Stalets (@MandyStalets), Ken Mattingly (@kenmattingly), and Anisa Baker-Busby (@AnisaBusby). Email the Podcast: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com Follow the Podcast on Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod Follow Tom on Twitter: @TomSchimmer Facebook &. Instagram: Schimmer Education

In Don't @ Me (2:05), Tom talks about why it's time to retire the expression "Wait until they get into the Real World." Tom is then joined by best-selling author Dr. Anthony Muhammad (15:32) for part 1 of their discussion about the racial equity work in society. In the News (44:21) includes stories about learning pods and the curriculum reviews taking place in many school districts. Assessment Corner (58:47) includes a question about "leveled questions" and Tom expands on last week's conversation about feedback. Finally, in Tweets of the Week (1:10:33), Tom highlights the #ATAssessment Twitter chat and the four moderators: Katie White (@KatieWhite426), Mandy Stalets (@MandyStalets), Ken Mattingly (@kenmattingly), and Anisa Baker-Busby (@AnisaBusby).&nbsp;
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Email the Podcast: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com
Follow the Podcast on Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod
Follow Tom on Twitter: @TomSchimmer
Facebook &amp;. Instagram: Schimmer Education

The Real World | Anthony Muhammad (Pt. 1) | Effective Feedback

Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blends practical strategies with big-picture thinking, helping teachers and leaders translate research into action without losing sight of the human side of education.
Listeners can expect honest discussions, fresh perspectives, and plenty of take-home ideas. From reimagining final exams to exploring the role of assessment in equity and Universal Design for Learning, Assess THAT is for any educator ready to challenge the status quo and embrace assessment as a tool for growth—not just measurement.

About the Hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso are internationally recognized speakers, authors, and consultants who have spent their careers helping schools modernize assessment and grading practices. Together, they are the co-founders of the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC), a national professional learning hub created by Canadians, for Canadians to bring clarity, credibility, and care to assessment in classrooms across the country.
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Tom Schimmer is the author and co-author of multiple best-selling books, including Grading from the Inside Out and Standards-Based Learning in Action. With 35 years of experience as a teacher, leader, and consultant, Tom is known for his ability to translate big ideas into practical tools educators can use right away.
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Natalie Vardabasso is a leading voice in assessment and equity, recognized for her innovative approaches to standards-based learning, feedback, and student agency. As a speaker, writer, and coach, she has helped thousands of educators create assessment systems that are not only accurate but also deeply humanizing.
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Together, Tom and Natalie bring complementary perspectives, humour, and a deep commitment to making assessment meaningful. Their partnership in Assess THAT and at the Canadian Assessment Centre reflects a shared belief that when educators improve how they assess, they unlock the full potential of every learner.
Tom and Natalie are also the authors of Rehumanizing Assessment: Gathering Evidence of Learning Through Storytelling, a book that challenges traditional grading systems and shows how assessment can honour student voice and identity.

Why Listen? Whether you’re a classroom teacher, school leader, or policy maker, Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat will challenge your assumptions, equip you with actionable strategies, and inspire you to see assessment as the most powerful driver of student success.

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Assess THAT with Tom & Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blends practical strategies with big-picture thinking, helping teachers and leaders translate research into action without losing sight of the human side of education. Listeners can expect honest discussions, fresh perspectives, and plenty of take-home ideas. From reimagining final exams to exploring the role of assessment in equity and Universal Design for Learning, Assess THAT is for any educator ready to challenge the status quo and embrace assessment as a tool for growth—not just measurement. About the HostsTom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso are internationally recognized speakers, authors, and consultants who have spent their careers helping schools modernize assessment and grading practices. Together, they are the co-founders of the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC), a national professional learning hub created by Canadians, for Canadians to bring clarity, credibility, and care to assessment in classrooms across the country. Tom Schimmer is the author and co-author of multiple best-selling books, including Grading from the Inside Out and Standards-Based Learning in Action. With 35 years of experience as a teacher, leader, and consultant, Tom is known for his ability to translate big ideas into practical tools educators can use right away. Natalie Vardabasso is a leading voice in assessment and equity, recognized for her innovative approaches to standards-based learning, feedback, and student agency. As a speaker, writer, and coach, she has helped thousands of educators create assessment systems that are not only accurate but also deeply humanizing. Together, Tom and Natalie bring complementary perspectives, humour, and a deep commitment to making assessment meaningful. Their partnership in Assess THAT and at the Canadian Assessment Centre reflects a shared belief that when educators improve how they assess, they unlock the full potential of every learner. Tom and Natalie are also the authors of Rehumanizing Assessment: Gathering Evidence of Learning Through Storytelling, a book that challenges traditional grading systems and shows how assessment can honour student voice and identity. Why Listen?Whether you’re a classroom teacher, school leader, or policy maker, Assess THAT with Tom & Nat will challenge your assumptions, equip you with actionable strategies, and inspire you to see assessment as the most powerful driver of student success.

Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blends practical strategies with big-picture thinking, helping teachers and leaders translate research into action without losing sight of the human side of education.
Listeners can expect honest discussions, fresh perspectives, and plenty of take-home ideas. From reimagining final exams to exploring the role of assessment in equity and Universal Design for Learning, Assess THAT is for any educator ready to challenge the status quo and embrace assessment as a tool for growth—not just measurement.

About the Hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso are internationally recognized speakers, authors, and consultants who have spent their careers helping schools modernize assessment and grading practices. Together, they are the co-founders of the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC), a national professional learning hub created by Canadians, for Canadians to bring clarity, credibility, and care to assessment in classrooms across the country.
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Tom Schimmer is the author and co-author of multiple best-selling books, including Grading from the Inside Out and Standards-Based Learning in Action. With 35 years of experience as a teacher, leader, and consultant, Tom is known for his ability to translate big ideas into practical tools educators can use right away.
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Natalie Vardabasso is a leading voice in assessment and equity, recognized for her innovative approaches to standards-based learning, feedback, and student agency. As a speaker, writer, and coach, she has helped thousands of educators create assessment systems that are not only accurate but also deeply humanizing.
</li>
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Together, Tom and Natalie bring complementary perspectives, humour, and a deep commitment to making assessment meaningful. Their partnership in Assess THAT and at the Canadian Assessment Centre reflects a shared belief that when educators improve how they assess, they unlock the full potential of every learner.
Tom and Natalie are also the authors of Rehumanizing Assessment: Gathering Evidence of Learning Through Storytelling, a book that challenges traditional grading systems and shows how assessment can honour student voice and identity.

Why Listen? Whether you’re a classroom teacher, school leader, or policy maker, Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat will challenge your assumptions, equip you with actionable strategies, and inspire you to see assessment as the most powerful driver of student success.

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