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Join us as we unpack the gripping discussions where a decision-making class threw fire officers into the midst of a heated moral quandary: rescue a civilian or a downed firefighter? Over half chose the civilian, igniting a wildfire of contrasting opinions and a deep-dive into the soul of our service.

With guests John Vance, Eric Phillips, and Grant Light, we navigate through the complexities of making the toughest calls and examine the cultural rifts they reveal within the fire department ranks.

This episode features Erik Phillips, Grant Light and John Vance.

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This episode was recorded at the Fire Department Instructors Conference in Indianapolis,  Indiana on April 20, 2024.