In this week’s episode, Lizz and Esther talk about the in-between—that blurry stretch between certainty and freedom. We talk about control and compassion, about nervous systems that don’t need theology as much as safety, and about finding community outside the old walls of church.

We don’t have tidy answers (we’ve tried those before).

But we do have a few anchors for the fog.

Anchors for the In-Between

When the old ways of praying, believing, or belonging don’t work anymore—start here:

• Tree time. Sit under one. Lean against it. Let your breath match its calm.
• Look up. Sky therapy. A reminder you’re part of something vast and kind.
• Cozy is sacred. Blankets, warm mugs, soft clothes—small acts of self-compassion that retrain your body to feel safe again.
• Medicine isn’t weakness. Sometimes your nervous system needs help to unclench. That’s healing, not failure.
• Rest ≠ avoidance. Rest is recovery. Avoidance is fear. The difference is compassion.

A Few Things We Said (and Meant)

“God isn’t controlling the universe like a puppet show. Love is still here, and it looks like presence.”
“Your body isn’t broken—it’s responding wisely to what’s been too much.”
“Use your low beams in the fog. Slow is holy.”

If You’re Here Right Now

If you’re not sure what you believe, or where you belong, or if any of this still counts as faith—welcome.

You’re not alone.
The fog is temporary.

And even here, you’re being held by something softer, wider, and more loving than fear ever was.