The boys sit down with Julie, the reigning queen of pain science and mindfulness. She's got the degrees to back it up - Clinical Psychology, Clinical Epidemiology, and a PhD in behavioural medicine. Smart. We delve into the world of pain care, where waiting times are longer than a traffic jam on the way to a job you hate. But the good news? Chronic pain is finally being recognized as a public health emergency, and Julie thinks it's about time! She shares her thoughts on the nervous system, and how mindfulness is the gold standard for fixing the mess. We explore the reality of pain, which is real, no matter what anyone says. Pain impacts everything - your mental health, finances, relationships and more. Julie believes it's time for society to take back control and regulate their own nervous systems.