The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung

There’s nothing like the threat of imprisonment to force you to learn. 

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Chapters:

Chapter 1) 00:00-5:44 Intro: using persuasion to make the world a better place & how people disagree

Chapter 2) 5:45-10:39 On trust, how to persuade, & the Smithfield Trial win

Chapter 3) 10:40-20:29 Lesson 1: Go to the frontlines & Wayne’s first frontline experience

Chapter 4) 20:30-28:26 Lesson 2: Don’t cancel your enemies. Make friends with them.

Chapter 5) 28:27-31:56 Lesson 3: Boldness is a virtue, not a vice.

Chapter 6) 31:57-33:31 Summary & final thoughts

Chapter 7) 33:32-33:48 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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Rick Pittman’s testimony at the Smithfield Trial:

https://x.com/mbolotnikova/status/1578806031102009349 

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What Trump 2.0 could mean for animal rights. Surprisingly, it’s not all bad.

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Chapters:

0:00-3:52 Who are the MAGA people in Trump’s incoming administration

3:53-5:10 The culture war around plant-based meats

5:11-6:42 Ending subsidies for animal cruelty

6:43-7:46 Targeting dissidents

7:47-8:55 An end to animal testing

8:56-9:30 Summary and final thoughts 

9:31-9:47 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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Three factors that allowed us to prevail in the face of overwhelming odds.

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Chapters:

Chapter 1) 00:00-3:30 Intro: the judge granted the petition to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Ridglan Farms for criminal animal cruelty, & the first reason we won

Chapter 2) 3:31-6:56 The second reason we won

Chapter 3) 6:57-10:11 The third reason we won

Chapter 4) 10:12-13:31 Final thoughts: why, how, & who can achieve change for animals

Chapter 5) 13:32-13:47 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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Can We Rescue 60,000 Tortured Dogs? (Episode 16)

https://youtu.be/z1t_J9hMuaw 

Beagle Experiments Exposed In Court (Ep. 48)

https://youtu.be/SmX2yEq6I8g 

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People keep accusing me of stealing animals. I speak to Jade Ara of the Stop Yulin Podcast on why they’re wrong. 

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Subscribe to Stop Yulin channel on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/@stopyulin8640 

Also watch and like the original full episode on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/eRdnHSq597Y

Follow Jade:

https://www.facebook.com/jade.ara.12 

https://www.instagram.com/jade_ara_stopyulin/ 

https://x.com/JadeAraa 

https://www.threads.net/@jade_ara_stopyulin 

https://www.youtube.com/@jadex38

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To find out how you can help the dogs at Ridglan Farms, join the Open Rescue Advocates Meeting on January 12th at 4pmPT/7pmET in San Francisco or on online:

https://www.simpleheart.org/ora 

Follow Wayne on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/@WayneHsiung_ 

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Chapters:

Chapter 1) 00:00-1:06 Wayne’s intro on joining the Stop Yulin Podcast

Chapter 2) 1:07-1:14 Stop Yulin intro (Also watch the original episode with the full intro and outro & subscribe, links above)

Chapter 3) 1:15-18:46 Introducing Wayne - his activism, family history, and childhood

Chapter 4) 18:47-33:40 When Wayne found out about the Yulin Dog Meat Festival, Wayne’s first dog named Vivian, & on learning why and how to do investigations and rescues

Chapter 5) 33:41-39:31 On getting involved in the Yulin campaign & on the 2016 investigation and dog rescue in Yulin

Chapter 6) 39:32-42:45 2017 interview of Julianne Perry on the 2016 investigation and rescue of her dog named Pao

Chapter 7) 42:46-51:43 (continued) on 2016 investigation & dog rescue in Yulin

Chapter 8) 51:44-1:00:38 Dog meat trade and farms in different countries, on rescuing Oliver and two other dogs, & on being caught at a dog meat slaughterhouse

Chapter 9) 1:00:39-1:10:28 How they got the dogs out of Yulin & on activist Marc Ching

Chapter 10) 1:10:29-1:23:34 The victory in South Korea, on the progress of social change & on infighting in the animal rights movement

Chapter 11) 1:23:35-1:36:05 On Direct Action Everywhere (DxE), on the law, & on why Wayne went to jail in 2023 for the animals

Chapter 12) 1:36:06-1:48:36 On the Ridglan Beagle Rescue Trial and the petition for a Special Prosecutor to investigate Ridglan Farms (please note: this episode was recorded before the petition was granted), on Wayne’s nonprofit The SimpleHeart Initiative, on stepping down as leader organizer of DxE, on the victories in the Smithfield and Foster Farms Trials, on strategy and goals of animal rights movement, & follow Wayne on Substack and YouTube, links above

Chapter 13) 1:48:37-1:49:01 Stop Yulin outro video - Subscribe to the channel, link above

Chapter 14) 1:49:02-1:49:18 Wayne’s outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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Links:

“The Dog I Took a Beating For” by Wayne Hsiung

https://medium.com/direct-action-everywhere-dxe/the-dog-i-took-a-beating-for-e24fdbb3ed7f 

The Albany Movement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albany_Movement 

The Birmingham Campaign:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign 

Letter from a Birmingham Jail:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_from_Birmingham_Jail 

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It’s very simple: have faith. 

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Chapters:

Chapter 1) 00:00-5:36 Intro, on YouTube content and the newsletter on Substack, how to start 2025, & on being criminally changed in 2018 for open rescue

Chapter 2) 5:37-11:13 The first reason we should be hopeful & on using information and technology

Chapter 3) 11:14-14:40  The second reason we should be hopeful & building connections

Chapter 4) 14:41-20:08 The third reason we should be hopeful & faith in creating change for the animals

Chapter 5) 20:09-21:43 Final thoughts and thank you

Chapter 6) 21:44-22:00 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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Books/Articles Mentioned:

“Republic.com” by Cass Sunstein (2001)

“A Political Movement for Animal Rights Is Coming” by Wayne Hsiung

November 22, 2024 

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/author/wayne-hsiung 

“The Law of Social Entropy” by Wayne Hsiung

December 28, 2023
https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/the-law-of-social-entropy

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The real reason men are killing people across the nation. 

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Follow Jeremy:

https://www.youtube.com/@loebjeremy  

Watch our podcast with Kam Waters:

https://youtu.be/S3DXB8AvPMs 

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Chapters:

Chapter 1) 00:00-6:20 Intro, post-election takes, & why are there so many angry men out there

Chapter 2) 6:21-16:44 The tragedy in New Orleans & comparing Democrats and Republicans

Chapter 3) 16:45-27:41 The loss of the public’s trust in the government, on the perpetrator in New Orleans, & how men are affected by society’s cultural norms

Chapter 4) 27:42-38:11 Disconnection and loneliness, if the government invested in helping people that need help, & on the unconditional love from dogs

Chapter 5) 38:12-54:54 Corrupted incentives, how people change, how systems function or fail, & on the documentary Christspiracy 

Chapter 6) 54:55-1:03:39 On the film “The Joker” with spoilers, the isolation of individuals in society, on Jeremy his YouTube channel, & Wayne and his dogs

Chapter 7) 1:03:40-1:13:00 On having a connection with a person or a nonhuman animal, Wayne’s difficult time in school, & Jermey in military-type school

Chapter 8) 1:13:01-1:20:46 What some of these angry men have in common, North Carolina's military bases, factory farms, and slaughterhouses, on the “crimes” of helping animals, & on crimes that hurt animals

Chapter 9) 1:20:47-1:34:10 There’s a higher law and extremists perverting that with violence, on the public perception of Luigi Mangione, & how both domesticated and wild animals are vulnerable 

Chapter 10) 1:34:11-1:38:41 On Wayne befriending a factory farm owner & on the Gaia Hypothesis (by James Lovelock)

Chapter 11) 1:38:42-1:46:24 Lessons we can learn from these angry men and how to stop this violence from happening again, subscribe to Jeremy’s Youtube channel (link above), & like and comment on Jeremy’s and Wayne’s YouTube channel 

Chapter 12) 1:46:25-1:46:41 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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Movies mentioned:

“Zone of Interest” (2023)

“Christspiracy” (2024)

“The Joker” (2019)

“Joker: Folie à Deux” (2024)

“Top Gun” (1986)

“The Smell of Money” (2022)

“What The Health” (2017)

“Jaws” (1975)

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On the virtues of making friends with your enemies.

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Watch “Operation Deathstar”:

https://youtu.be/wlSE1X-hSqQ 

Watch Rick testifying at the Smithfield Rescue Trial“One of the defense’s star witnesses, a turkey farmer who had one of his animals taken by activists, explains to the prosecutor why he supports what they do. He does an impressive job repelling her questions. #SmithfieldTrial” -Marina Bolotnikova

https://x.com/mbolotnikova/status/1578806031102009349/video/1 

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Chapters:

Chapter 1) 00:00-4:59 Intro: a phone call because the FBI was at an animal sanctuary, investigating Circle Four Farms in 2017 (Operation Deathstar link above), & charges against rescuers

Chapter 2) 5:00-8:54 Learning after being criminally charged, on the Smithfield Rescue Trial in Utah, & on Norbest Turkey rescue charges

Chapter 3) 8:55-21:05 Meeting and befriending Rick Pitman, why people do what they do, & on FOIA requests and animal welfare at the slaughterhouse

Chapter 4) 21:06-28:32 Sharing criticisms, sharing personal things in common, & Rick testifying at the Smithfield Rescue Trial in Utah (video link above)

Chapter 5) 28:33-33:30 Important lessons learned, let us know what lessons that you learned, & thank you all for the support!

Chapter 6) 33:31-33:46 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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I confront Vegan Gains on his “problematic” views. It goes ok. Sort of.

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Follow Vegan Gains:

https://www.patreon.com/vegangains

https://www.instagram.com/vegangains.real/

https://www.youtube.com/@VeganGains

https://www.facebook.com/VeganGainsOfficial

https://www.twitter.com/VeganGains

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Chapters:

Chapter 1) 00:00-11:29 Intro, Youtuber Vegan Gains: Richard Burgess, controversial views on sexual harassment/abuse & the #MeToo movement in activist movements, & specific cases

Chapter 2) 11:30-30:34 Having a broad conversation sexual harassment/abuse & the #MeToo movement, & trying to not talk about specific cases

Chapter 3) 30:35-35:15 Extreme positions in activist movements

Chapter 4) 35:16-46:59 On the Israel/Palestine war

Chapter 5) 47:00-1:02:06 Wayne on his awkward laughter, reacting to inappropriate behavior, on power dynamics, calm assessments of evidence compared to extreme conclusions of evidence, & Richard’s interpretation of the evidence

Chapter 6) 1:02:07-1:13:43 On restorative justice, on having thoughtful conversations, where views originate

Chapter 7) 1:13:44-1:24:43 Wayne on why Richard is so interesting, & on why people react they way they do: concerns, bias, &/or conformity

Chapter 8) 1:24:44-1:37:39 On the public disruption of Wayne and Peter Singer, Richard’s controversial opinions on the way people react or don’t want to debate, & on having hard conversations

Chapter 9) 1:37:40-1:46:56 Can people have agreements after having conversations, on the empathy of human and nonhumans, & tendencies of human culture

Chapter 10) 1:46:57-1:49:58 Richard’s final thoughts, on meditation, & Gummy the cat and Oliver the dog

Chapter 11) 1:49:59-1:50:15 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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Books Mentioned:

“Humanity: A Moral History of the Twentieth Century” by John Glover

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Glover 

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Opposition to animal sacrifice was central to Jesus’s teachings. That’s the argument documentary maker Kam Waters makes in his provocative documentary Christspiracy. And he has incredible, fascinating evidence to support his thesis.

If you have Christian family, or if you’re simply curious about the true origins of Christianity and Christmas, this is the perfect documentary to watch this holiday season.

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Watch:

https://www.christspiracy.com 

Follow Christspiracy, links below.

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Chapters:

Chapter 1) 00:00-10:15 Intro, Kameron Water: one of the directors of the documentary Christspriacy, Kameron on why religion matters, how the film Christspriacy developed, a vegan “identity,” & the religious identity

Chapter 2) 10:16-20:28 Wayne’s interest in spirituality, Kameron on his religion, on their companion animals, & on the death of animals

Chapter 3) 20:29-35:06 Kameron on religions, different connections with animals as food, finding new connections with animals not as food, & activism’s connection to faith

Chapter 4) 35:07-48:10 On Kameron’s family’s journey to not eating animals, Kameron’s journey to not eating animals, enriching religion and faith with ethical veganism, & on Seventh-Day Adventists

Chapter 5) 48:11-1:00:07 The source of not hurting animals in Chrispiracy, on John the Baptist, & on James’s spiritual leadership after Jesus

Chapter 6) 1:00:08-1:17:29 Tempered radicalism, why Jesus and animals have not been discussed before, on Costco and Whole Foods animal welfare lies, & understanding systems

Chapter 7) 1:17:30-1:32:36 Why Jesus and James cared about animals, wrong translations of the bible, & Jesus’s quoted scriptures of others about not killing animals

Chapter 8) 1:32:37-1:41:48 How animal rights activists can talk to Christians about animals, follow @ Christspiracy on all social media, & thank you to all activists that take direct action for the animals

Chapter 9) 1:41:49-1:42:05 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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Follow Christspiracy:

https://www.instagram.com/christspiracy/ 

https://x.com/christspiracy 

https://www.tiktok.com/@christspiracy 

https://www.youtube.com/@christspiracyfilm 

https://www.facebook.com/christspiracy 

Follow Kameron:

https://www.facebook.com/kameron.waters 

https://www.instagram.com/kameronwaters/ 

https://www.facebook.com/kameron.waters 

https://x.com/kameronwaters 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kameron-waters-8329042a/ 

https://www.youtube.com/@kamh2os

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The bizarre story of the mass reindeer slaughter at Christmas – and what we can do to stop it.

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Follow Rich:

https://www.instagram.com/notasnatureintended/ 

https://richcampaigns.myportfolio.com/ 

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Chapters:

Chapter 1) 00:00-11:26 Intro, Rich Hardy: author of  “Not as Nature Intended” & on the hidden reindeer slaughter business

Chapter 2) 11:27-19:49 Who buys reindeer as meat, bunnies in the fur industry, & exceptions in the laws 

Chapter 3) 19:50-28:44 How Rich learned about the hidden reindeer slaughter business, the public reaction to growing transparency of animal agricultural industries and cognitive dissonance, & how Rich became an investigator

Chapter 4) 28:45-45:37 Why Rich became an investigator, on investigations and mental health, & advice on balancing activism and mental health

Chapter 5) 45:38-56:09 Looking at the big picture in activism and life, Rich on veganic farming, & animal agriculture contaminating vegetable agriculture

Chapter 6) 56:10-1:03:04 How social justice movements change society & feelings and communication of humans and animals

Chapter 7) 1:03:05-1:13:35 Rich on learning about people during investigations & Big Ag corporations lying about animal agriculture

Chapter 8) 1:13:36-1:27:13 Rich’s other investigative work, on rabbit and quail factory farms, & on communicating (and dishonesty) with people

Chapter 9) 1:27:14-1:39:26 Workers caught in the systems, on antibiotics used in the animal agriculture industries, & laws for animals that are not enforced

Chapter 10) 1:39:27-1:45:01 Is there accountability in democracy and government, Rich’s advice on how to become an activist and investigator, & follow Rich in Instagram, link above.

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Books Mentioned:

“Not as Nature Intended” by Rich Hardy

https://www.waterstones.com/book/not-as-nature-intended/rich-hardy/9781789650631 

The Harry Potter series

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