The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung

The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung

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The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung episodes

  • Why Politicians Cover Up Animal Cruelty (Ep. 34)

    There was a bloody ritual unfolding just a few minutes from the DNC…

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    Chapters:

    Chapter 1) 00:00-9:00 What was happening while the Democratic National Convention was happening, animal rights issues is bipartisan problem, & ventilation shutdown (legally killing animals by roasting animals alive)

    Chapter 2) 9:01-19:50 The public, political, & corporate causes of the animal rights moral crisis

    Chapter 3) 19:51- 29:44 What is preference falsification, on Cass Sunstein, & on Ezra Klein

    Chapter 4) 29:45-39:41 Why are we scared to publicly talk about animal rights, & how to create social & legal change for animals 

    Chapter 5) 39:42-46:51 The ten words to remember when starting & continuing your activism

    Chapter 6) 46:52-48:12 Final thoughts & leave a comment

    Chapter 7) 48:13-48:29 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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    Links:

    “Climate Change and Animals” by Wayne Hsiung & Cass R. Sunstein:

    https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/penn_law_review/vol155/iss6/7/ 


    “What animal activists can learn from historical upheavals” by Cass Sunstein:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/author/casssunstein 


    SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES Opinion:

    NATIONAL PORK PRODUCERS COUNCIL ET AL. v.

    ROSS, SECRETARY OF THE CALIFORNIA

    DEPARTMENT OF FOOD AND AGRICULTURE, ET AL.:

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-468_5if6.pdf 


    “Court upholds California animal-welfare law” by Amy Howe:

    https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/05/court-upholds-california-animal-welfare-law/ 


    “Collective dynamics of ‘small-world’ networks” by Duncan J. Watts & Steven H. Strogatz:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/30918 

    49 min
  • The Perils of Victimization Politics (with Jeremy Loeb) (Ep.33)

    Something odd happened in politics – and, increasingly, communities – about 10 years ago: more and more people began claiming “victim” status. Jeremy Loeb and I break down the phenomenon.

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    Follow Jeremy:

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@loebjeremy 

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/loebjeremy/

    XTwitter: https://x.com/LvLouMeng 

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@loebjeremy 

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.loeb1 

    Threads: https://www.threads.net/@loebjeremy 


    Follow Wayne:

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WayneHsiung_ 


    Follow activist Paul Watson:

    IG: https://www.instagram.com/captainpaulwatson/ 

    LinkTree: linktr.ee/cpwf 

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    Chapters:

    Chapter 1) 00:00-18:16 Intro, how politics & social media affect individuals & communities across the country, victimization mentality, & infighting

    Chapter 2) 18:17-27:43 On the Sonoma County ballot initiative outreach (https://www.yesonj.vote) & the opposition reaction

    Chapter 3) 27:44-41:27 Differences between unproductive victimization politics & productive accountability politics, & being personally affected by unproductive victimization politics

    Chapter 4) 41:28-57:51 Succumbing to social pressure or doing what’s right, remembering to center the animals in the movement, & the differences between disputes & bigotry

    Chapter 5) 57:52-1:07:52 People in the animal rights movement, being on social media, intentions/reasons for public behavior, & having conversations when there are disagreements

    Chapter 6) 1:07:53-1:19:31 The goal of social justice movements, call-out culture on social media, & conversations about stating facts

    Chapter 7) 1:19:32-1:29:30 Benefits & limits of modern technology, handling rejection & challenging yourself, building community/individual relationships requires communicating in-person

    Chapter 8) 1:29:31-1:36:25 How to find a community, more thoughts on technology, & attending the recent “#YesOnJ” Convergence for the Sonoma County ballot initiative

    Chapter 9) 1:36:26-1:46:30 Final thoughts: Power in the social justice movements & politics, good leaders empower other leaders, empowering yourself to be a leader, follow activist Paul Watson’s case (link above), & subscribe to Jeremy’s YouTube channel & Wayne’s YouTube channel (links above)

    Chapter 10) 1:46:31-1:46:47 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis.

    1 hr 47 min
  • He Rescued a Hen Dying in a Manure Pit. They Jailed Him. (with Adam Durand) (Ep. 32)

    Adam Durand was the first activist in US history to be jailed for an open rescue. And his story – including one of the wildest criminal trials in animal rights history – is equal parts inspiring and haunting.

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    Documentary of Wegmans Egg Farm Investigation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99T_xb9NTs

    Article: “Capturing Caged Hens on Video Brings a Charge of Burglary”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/16/nyregion/capturing-caged-hens-on-video-brings-a-charge-of-burglary.html

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    Follow Adam:

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/adam.durand/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/adam.durand

    XTwitter: https://x.com/adam_durand

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@durand.adam?lang=en

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@adamdurand

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamdurand/

    Threads: https://www.threads.net/@adam.durand

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    Chapters:

    Chapter 1) 00:00 Intro, Adam’s story of Wegmans Egg Farm investigation/hen rescue, the first open rescue manual, & the grassroots activism feelings during the first open trainings/rescues in the US

    Chapter 2) 19:41 Continued: Adam’s story of Wegmans Egg Farm investigation/rescue & the current state of activism

    Chapter 3) 30:15 Activists’ first look inside one of many large sheds at Wegmans Egg Farm, how many hens they rescued, & tough decisions during factory farm investigations

    Chapter 4) 38:18 Angie’s rescue from Wegmans Egg Farm & life at Farm Sanctuary, the other hens’ lives after the rescue from Wegmans Egg Farm

    Chapter 5) 50:34 Activists’ taking hens out of the cages at Wegmans Egg Farm, & veterinarians’ reactions to hens rescued from Wegmans Egg Farm & a rescued parrot

    Chapter 6) 58:42 Local animal cruelty authorities, history of US animal cruelty laws, hens in manure lagoons at Wegmans Egg Farm, how factory farms kill hens after their egg production declines

    Chapter 7) 1:09:15 The documentary on Wegmans Egg Farm investigation/hen rescue is made & released to a journalist (documentary link above), journalists & editors reactions to activists’ investigation stories, the authorities’ surveillance/arrest/prosecution of activists, & public reaction of the investigation/documentary

    Chapter 8) 1:21:51 Infiltrators & informants in nonviolent activism movements (“This American Life - The Turncoat” link below), Adam’s reaction to being investigated, on activist Eric McDavid’s story (link below), & the US government investigations of the Civil Rights movement

    Chapter 9) 1:33:05 Adam on the grand jury after he turned himself into authorities, on prosecutors handling grand juries & defendants

    Chapter 10) 1:42:03 Adam on his trial for open rescue in 2006: lawyers for activists, on judges, the pressure of testifying, on burglary charge acquittal, on trespass conviction, & on prosecutors

    Chapter 11) 1:58:00 Adam on his trial for open rescue in 2006: on closing statements, on the verdict from the jury, on the judge during the sentencing hearing, on being featured on PrimeTime Live, on being illegally sentenced, & on going to/being in jail

    Chapter 12) 2:07:46 Lawyers’ reaction to Adam’s sentencing hearing, & more on Adam being in jail: inmates, jobs, vegan food, treatment from guards, on Adam’s “Stay-of-Execution,” & on being released

    Chapter 13) 2:16:21 Working on the appeal, on winning the appeal, re-sentenced by the same judge, a surprise vacation rental ending, & Adam’s life after jail

    Chapter 14) 2:25:22 Final thoughts: lessons learned from doing open rescues

    Chapter 15) 2:28:14 Outro video - Thanks for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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    Other links:

    “This American Life - The Turncoat”:

    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/381/turncoat

    Activist Eric McDavid:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_McDavid

    “If a Tree Falls”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQoi0DoOKM

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_Tree_Falls

    2 hr 29 min
  • The Shocking Truth About Kamala Harris and Donald Trump (with Jeremy Beckham) (Ep. 31)

    From deportations to oil profits, the numbers tell a different story than most would expect. What implications does that have for those of us who care about protecting life on earth? 

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    Follow Jeremy & UARC:

    XTwitter: https://twitter.com/JeremyBeckham 

    IG: https://www.instagram.com/j.s.beckham/ 

    FB: https://www.facebook.com/slcvegan 

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jsbeckham/ 

    FB: https://www.facebook.com/utahanimalrights 

    XTwitter: https://twitter.com/UARC 

    IG: https://www.instagram.com/utahanimalrights/ 

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/utahanimalrights/about/ 

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    Chapters:

    Chapter 1) 00:00-20:29 Intro, political parties perspectives of the animal rights movement, corporations getting funding from government subsidies & more, & those who are elected affect activism

    Chapter 2) 20:30-29:57 Consequences of policies, & Smithfield’s (& other companies) corporate power 

    Chapter 3) 29:58-46:25 Jeremy’s take presidential campaigns attention on animal rights issues, the changing of public concerns, & systemic problems or changes from each political party

    Chapter 4) 46:26-59:18 Pandemic affecting society & statistical data, & Jeremy & Wayne’s differing opinions on the threat of Trump to Democracy & the rule of law

    Chapter 5) 59:19-1:19:56 Antitrust case against poultry companies, criminal charges against activists showing the truth instead of corporations that break the law, Jeremy & Wayne’s thoughts on the presidential election, thoughts on the focus of the animal rights movement, thoughts on silicon valley, 

    Chapter 6) 1:19:57-1:30:06 Thoughts on ballot initiative campaigns

    Chapter 7) 1:30:07-1:41:49 Jeremy & Wayne’s political worries (animal rights policies & other policies) under the Trump’s administration, & take action at the local political level

    Chapter 8) 1:41:50-1:49:52 Jeremy & Wayne’s political hopes & concerns for the animal rights movement

    Chapter 9) 1:49:53-1:50:09 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

    1 hr 51 min
  • Why Wild Animal Suffering Matters (with Humane Hancock) (Ep. 30)

    Could the greatest moral crisis on Earth today be… the suffering of insects?

    Jack, aka Humane Hancock, thinks the suffering of wild animals, including insects, matters. And if he’s right, there are remarkable implications. 

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    Follow Jack:

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@HumaneHancock 

    Website: patreon.com/Humanehancock 

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/humanehancock/ 

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/humanehancockpage 

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@humane_hancock?lang=en 

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-hancock-fairs-b7b903196/ 

    Threads: https://www.threads.net/@humanehancock 

    XTwitter: https://x.com/Jackwxm 

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    Chapters:

    Chapter 1) 00:00-13:24 Intro, Jack’s childhood view of beings’ sentience, being less assertive in a positive way, & genetic components of veganism 

    Chapter 2) 13:25-24:58 Why insects do matter & overcoming the public mockery of controversial issues 

    Chapter 3) 24:59-41:23 Consciousness of insects compared to animals & the ethics of insect sentience

    Chapter 4) 41:24-55:10 The importance of having these conversations, strategies to make the world a 

    better place, & maintaining authenticity as an activist

    Chapter 5) 55:11-1:10:04 Caring about the suffering of wild animals, Jack’s chronic pain issues, & what is humanity’s responsibility to wild animals

    Chapter 6) 1:10:05-1:24:43 Political representation for nonhuman animals & is a “utopia” possible for wild animals

    Chapter 7) 1:24:44-1:36:27 How to do outreach about wild animals’ suffering & do animals have morals 

    Chapter 8) 1:36:28-1:51:55 Final thoughts: Jack & Wayne on how to not be overwhelmed by the suffering of animals & follow Jack on social media (links above)

    Chapter 9) 1:51:56-1:52:13 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

    1 hr 53 min
  • The Best Messaging for Animal Rights (with Tom Harris) (Ep. 29)

    Tom Harris was sent to prison for running a lawful campaign against an animal testing company in the United Kingdom. What can we learn from his experience about why so many, in the government and otherwise, hate activists for animal rights?

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    More information:

    Website: https://shacjustice.com/

    Tom’s book: “Your Neighbour Kills Puppies: Inside the Animal Liberation Movement”:

    https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745348698/your-neighbour-kills-puppies/ 

    Follow Tom:

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tattoo_tom/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tom.tattooist  

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tattootom/ 

    Website: https://tomharris.me/

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    Chapters:

    Chapter 1) 00:00-5:19 Intro: on the hate toward veganism & animal rights activism

    Chapter 2) 5:20-24:10 Tom on the SHAC campaign in the UK & in other countries, & Wayne on the SHAC campaign in the US

    Chapter 3) 24:11-35:47 The pressure campaign on Marshall BioResources (MBR Acres/Camp Beagle), cultural campaigns vs pressure campaigns, SHAC’s founders, & learning from past campaigns/activists

    Chapter 4) 35:48-54:29 Grassroots activism in the early 2000s & organizational structure of activism groups now, & Tom’s work rebuilding local grassroots activism groups

    Chapter 5) 54:30-1:00:11 National politics/activism vs local politics/activism, different types of addictions, & learning from past campaigns/activists

    Chapter 6) 1:00:12-1:26:25 Activist infighting & different ways to do activism in person

    Chapter 7) 1:26:26-1:39:00 What were/are the local grassroots activism groups, more on Tom’s work on rebuilding local grassroots activism groups, & studying other social justice movements 

    Chapter 8) 1:39:01-1:46:37 The beginning of Tom’s activism journey in childhood

    Chapter 9) 1:46:38-1:50:24 Music & identity politics 

    Chapter 10) 1:50:25-1:55:26 Tom joining the animal rights movement & becoming vegan

    Chapter 11) 1:55:27-2:09:22 Tom’s journey to jail for nonviolent activism: on biotech billionaire named David Sainsbury, actions of SHAC infiltrator Adrian Radford & SHAC informant Chris Potter, & activists raided in 2007 & SHAC campaign ended in 2014

    Chapter 12) 2:09:23-2:19:21 Open organizing & underground actions 

    Chapter 13) 2:19:22-2:27:08 Tom’s advice to activists/advocates, getting through & being prepared for jail, buy Tom’s book (link above), & follow Tom on social media (links above)

    Chapter 14) 2:27:09-2:27:25 Outro video: Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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    Books mentioned:

    “Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community” by Robert D. Putnam

    “Why David Sometimes Wins: Leadership, Organization, and Strategy in the California Farm Worker Movement” by Marshall Ganz

    “Your Neighbour Kills Puppies: Inside the Animal Liberation Movement” by Tom Harris

    Movies mentions:

    “Animal People” (Documentary, 2019)

    2 hr 28 min
  • Can We Defend a System Built on Lies? (with Jeremy Loeb) (Ep.28)

    Jeremy Loeb and I discuss the ethics of lying. From factory farms that create false ads, to politicians who deceive the public, manipulation is everywhere. Can that ever be justified?

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    Follow Jeremy:

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@loebjeremy 

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/loebjeremy/

    XTwitter: https://x.com/LvLouMeng 

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@loebjeremy 

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.loeb1 

    Threads: https://www.threads.net/@loebjeremy 

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    Chapters:

    Chapter 1) 00:00-36:54 Intro, Diestel Turkey Farm Investigation, Diestel Civil case judgment, Whole Foods & Diestel Turkey Farm interfering in the news media reporting on the case, Sonoma County Trial, cognitive dissonance of intelligent people, “canceling” Jeremy & Wayne, & thoughts on Trump

    Chapter 2) 36:55-50:59 The problem with the news media, Vox series on factory farming & the media, Beef Industry lawsuit against ABC News, Diestel Civil case judgment without a trial, & anti-vegan bias in court

    Chapter 3) 51:00-1:35:47 What happened during the Diestel Civil case appeal, cognitive decline, the legal & political system, defamation lawsuit discovery from during the Berkeley mayoral campaign, thought experiments, the importance of voting, & the importance of activism

    Chapter 4) 1:35:48-1:51:12 Honesty, transparency, & trust given to society, the ways people lie, the ways political parties lie, & the ways corporations lie

    Chapter 5) 1:51:13-1:58:18 Turkeys rescued from Diestel Turkey Farm (links below), false advertising from animal agriculture, activism is the moral baseline to create change, & stay tuned for updates on the Diestel Civil case

    Chapter 6) 1:56:18-1:58:34 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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    Books mentioned:“On Bullshit” by Harry G. Frankfurt

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    Links:

    DxE video investigation of Diestel Turkey Farm and turkey rescue (2015):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byb8WjknZxw 

    https://www.facebook.com/directactioneverywhere/videos/1089174481112900

    “Direct Action Everywhere SF Bay Area v. Diestel Turkey Ranch” (2023):

    https://casetext.com/case/direct-action-everywhere-sf-bay-area-v-diestel-turkey-ranch/ 

    “Whole Foods Thanksgiving turkeys endure ‘horrific conditions’ at Calif. farm, activists say” (2015):

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/24/whole-foods-thanksgiving-turkeys-endure-horrific-conditions-at-calif-farm-animal-rights-activists-say/ 

    "Video Shows Abuse at Whole Foods Turkey Supplier, Activists Say: Diestel Turkey Ranch says video is misleading because it depicts narrow period of time"

    By Kelsey Gee (2015):
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/video-shows-abuse-at-whole-foods-turkey-supplier-activists-say-1448328713

    1 hr 59 min
  • How He Cured the Worst Suffering He Ever Experienced (with James Aspey) (Ep.27)

    James Aspey has been experiencing unbearable pain, related to serious injuries he’s suffered for over a decade. But he found a miraculous cure: getting off social media. 

    This conversation went in an unexpected direction. I wanted to have James on to discuss double standards in politics. Why are we so open to politicians ignoring the moral calamity of animal abuse? But the discussion turned to a more fundamental question: what is the true meaning of suffering in a world filled with so much violence and pain? And how do we create a world that provides peace and meaning to all sentient beings? 

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    Follow James:

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@James_Aspey 

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jimmycashpey/ 

    FB Profile Page: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=706979461 

    FB Public Figure Page: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61550037632451 

    XTwitter: https://twitter.com/jamesaspey_ 

    Website: jamesaspey.com.au

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    Chapters:

    Chapter 1) 00:00-25:12 Intro, politics & voting, avian flu, social media, veganism/plant-based in Brazil, & possibilities in the future

    Chapter 2) 25:13-1:08:42 James’s intense experiences, thoughts on faith & religions, vegan consumption & bodybuilding, effective altruism, 

    Chapter 3) 1:08:43-1:29:12 James & Nick Hiebert on Shawn Baker podcast/Joe Rogan reaction, population ethics debate, & vegans having kids

    Chapter 4) 1:29:12-1:52:42 James’s recent pain issues & road to recovery, overcoming stress, reading books, & James’s first decade of veganism/animal rights outreach leading to his music

    Chapter 5) 1:52:43-1:57:36 Final thoughts & follow James on YouTube (link above)

    Chapter 6) 1:57:37-1:57:53 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

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    Books mentioned:

    The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck by Mark Manson

    Ready Player One by by Ernest Cline

    Catcher in the Rye by J. D. Salinger

    Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don't Know by Adam Grant

    1 hr 58 min
  • The (Failed) Effort to Crush the Animal Rights Movement (with Ben Newman) (Ep. 26)

    Ben Newman is the first activist in Animal Rising to serve jail time for his nonviolent activism for animals. And he has tips for all of us on how to stay calm and positive, even in hard times .

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    Follow Animal Rising-

    Website: https://www.animalrising.org/ 

    IG: https://www.instagram.com/animal.rising/ 

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Animal.Rising 

    IG: https://www.instagram.com/animal.rising/ 

    FB: https://www.facebook.com/AnimalRising 

    XTwitter: https://twitter.com/AnimalRising  


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    Chapter 1) 00:00-38:10 Intro, Animal Rising, nonviolent activists protests being targeted by authorities, Hatfield action to stop supply of dairy milk in UK & aftermath, trial experiences, judges in the UK & the USA, & the first open rescue of dogs at Marshall Bio Resources (MBR Acres)

    Chapter 2) 38:11-46:01 Defense strategies of activists going to trial for animal rescue & the animal ag industry/government reaction to those defense strategies

    Chapter 3) 46:02-1:12:26 Second open rescue of dogs at Marshall Bio Resources (MBR Acres), making the impossible become possible for animals, making sacrifices to change the system, more police investigations, waiting for trials in the UK, “back-flip Ben,” positive energy, & other actions at Marshall Bio Resources (MBR Acres)

    Chapter 4) 1:12:27-1:40:30 Ben’s jail experience, disrupting the Grand National & other horse races, Wayne’s jail experience, post-jail experiences, how to handle stress, last thoughts, & follow Animal Rising on social media (links above)

    Chapter 5) 1:40:31-1:40:54 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

    1 hr 41 min
  • The Case Against Consumer Change (with Natalie Fulton) (Ep. 25)

    Should vegans stop calling ourselves vegan? Natalie Fulton makes the case in this conversation.

    Natalie is a YouTuber and the social media lead for Pro-Animal Future, which focuses on using systemic change to end the exploitation of animals.

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    Follow Pro-Animal Future:

    Website: https://ProAnimalFuture.org

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/proanimalfuture/ Slaughter-

    Free September 2024 Interest form:

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfLUqkWaQzJqvfeg9AzZWZ3QW6YXOckja77HfhLmuA5muvLwg/viewform

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    Follow Natalie:

    YouTube: www.youtube.com/@Natalie.Fulton

    Patreon: patreon.com/nataliefulton

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nataliefu26

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nattiefulton/

    Threads: https://www.threads.net/@nattiefulton

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nattiefulton

    Substack: https://nataliefulton.substack.com/

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    Chapters:

    Chapter 1) 00:00-29:08 Intro, working with Pro-Animal Future, ballot initiatives in Colorado, individual change vs. systemic change, Vegan Gains, Natalie’s debate strategy, & the history of change

    Chapter 2) 29:09-59:35 What is the winning narrative for animal rights, Natalie’s controversial take on the word “Vegan,” identity, documentaries, & animal rights as a political issue

    Chapter 3) 59:35-1:13:36 The goal of animal rights, influencers affected by their audience, ordinary people affected by their social circles, & the lies of animal agriculture industry

    Chapter 4) 1:13:37-1:34:42 We stronger with more activists, meditation, & everyone can contribute to the animal rights movement

    Chapter 5) 1:34:43-1:37:36 Final thoughts: More on the ballot initiative in Colorado, Slaughter-Free September (link above), & follow Pro-Animal Future (links above)

    Chapter 6) 1:37:37-1:37:53 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, Chloe Leffakis, & Jeremy Loeb

    1 hr 38 min

About The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung

From the publisher's feed

Who says you can't change the world? Meet the people who are. Wayne Hsiung, law professor-turned-grassroots animal rights activist and multi-state felony defendant, uncovers the people behind the political, the unexplored personal stories of social change. Intimate interviews with journalists, musicians, filmmakers, community leaders, and others. Change isn't easy. But it must start somewhere.