In this episode, I chat with Ella Saltmarshe. Writer, strategist, campaigner, activist, systems thinker.
We cover being a pluralist in a world of specialisation, system change what is it?, the role of stories and narrative in our culture and how we change the story especiallly when it comes to our relationship with the planet. Hacking popular culture, the concept of deep time, working from the heart and much more.
Rad cosmic intro/outro music with gratitide to Matt Hales and Davide Rossi (Escape Goat by Soren Lorenson, published by BMG)

Show notes:

https://ssir.org/articles/entry/using_story_to_change_systems

http://www.thepointpeople.com/

https://www.thecommslab.com/ella-saltmarshe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViwkkpROxp4

https://medium.com/@thelongtimeinquiry/the-long-time-3383b43d42ab

https://twitter.com/saltsea?lang=en

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