June 16, 2025

The State Of Crypto Derivatives With Shiliang Tang and Josh Lim

1 hour 19 minutes

This week, Jason is joined by Shiliang and Josh to discuss derivatives, perps, trade ideas, the state of the overall market and Public Crypto Vehicles’ impact on the market.

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Chapters:

(00:00) Intro

(02:47) Arbelos Founding Story

(09:25) Still One Big Trade?

(12:14) Ads (Skale)

(13:07) Derivatives Market Explained

(18:26) Perps Explained

(20:53) Venture & Liquid Funds

(23:41) Inefficiencies In Crypto Market

(24:56) State Of The Market

(29:49) Impact Of Liquidity Drains

(32:54) Ads (Skale)

(33:46) Public Crypto Vehicles + Risks

(48:27) Ads (Falcon x,LEDN)

(50:15) Does The Cycle Still Exist?

(51:38) Deribit Deal

(57:38) Bitcoin ETFs

(01:03:34) Hyperliquid

(01:07:42) Trade Ideas

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