The Symbolic World

In this conversation with Josh Nadeau, we talk about art, beauty, symbolism, and the recovery of a Christian imagination. We explore why traditional art still speaks so powerfully, how beauty can reveal realities that arguments often cannot, and why the work of artists may matter more than ever in a fragmented world.

YouTube version: https://youtu.be/mE1EMCxGuvI

Check out Josh Nadeau’s work:

Sword and Pencil Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/swordandpencil/

Every Day Saints Substack: https://substack.com/@everydaysaints

His books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0DNX73MZC

Register now for the Universal History Masterclass hosted by Dcn. Seraphim Rohlin, taking place live this August and September. ⁠https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass⁠

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Story time with Fr. Andrew! In this episode with Fr. Andrew Damick, we explore the symbolism of paradise through a fairy tale, a Norse saga, and the Christian tradition. We look at how the path to paradise is often revealed through humility, sacrifice, death, and transformation —and how these old stories can help us understand the relationship between heaven and earth.

YouTube version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwp36RyLkPQ

Join us this September in Oxford for a Symbolic World Summit (there are literally only 5 or so tickets remaining): https://symbolicworldsummit.com/

Register now for the Universal History Masterclass hosted by Dcn. Seraphim Rohlin, taking place live this August and September. https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass

Part 4. Deacon Seraphim and I continue our journey through the strange world surrounding Noah, the Flood, and the ancient traditions that grew up around Genesis. We get into the Ark, Adam, Melchizedek, sacrifice, priesthood, and a few details I had genuinely never heard before. There’s a lot here that changes the way the story fits into the larger pattern of Scripture.

YouTube version: https://youtu.be/-hjCU9Xp3-cJoin us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron)Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hoursLive classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.comOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/

I sat down with Martin Shaw to talk about the underworld and the deep pattern of descent and return. He also gave his own fresh perspective on Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey movie. We explored what it means to come home changed, how these ancient stories illuminate the Bible, and why resurrection is inseparable from the journey through death.

YouTube version: https://youtu.be/vLHZ-IQzltA

Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/

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Into the Underworld: Tales of Spiritual Initiation in Martin Shaw’s online course that launches in September. It's Martin's most ambitious course yet, venturing into entirely new territory: stories from the Bible and the lives of the Saints.

The course includes more than 6 hours of recorded teaching from a live workshop, plus a limited number of seats for an intimate series of live lectures and interaction over Zoom. Enrollment will be open for a limited time, and space for live sessions is scarce - sign up for the waitlist at JAWBONESTORIES.COM to get early access to Enrollment. Also, get a special surprise from Martin just for joining the waitlist! https://www.jawbonestories.com/

In this course, Martin will tell and teach on: Joseph, Jacob and Esau, Ruth and Naomi, Blind Tobit, The Voyage of Brendan, St. Patrick's Bell.

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In this video, I compare The Odyssey and Masters of the Universe to explore two very different visions of masculinity and heroism. While one reduces masculine strength to fantasy, insecurity, and mockery, the other confronts its dangers while still moving toward repentance, reconciliation, and the return home. The difference is not simply political. It is the difference between a story that despises the hero and one that seeks to restore him.

Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/

Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass

Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron)

Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hours

Live classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026

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It's not hard to find your tribe. The real challenge today is not losing yourself within one. Luke Burgis and I discuss why we struggle as modern people to belong without losing ourselves, how technology fragments our desires, why family, friendship, and real communion are essential to becoming a person, and also the opposite, that to really connect with others you must be true to yourself.

YouTube version: https://youtu.be/bZfRs9TWSIg

Luke's book, The One and the Ninety-Nine: https://www.amazon.com/One-Ninety-Nine-Forging-Identity-Contagion-ebook/dp/B0FLYVP6WD

Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/

Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass

Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron)

Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hours

Live classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026

Timestamps:

00:00 – Coming up

02:38 – Introduction

02:52 – Luke Burgess and The One and the Ninety-Nine

03:19 – The tension between individuality and belonging

04:10 – The lost sheep, the one, and the many

06:30 – Why the modern self has become fragile

08:57 – When celebrating difference turns into isolation

10:50 – Why “selling out” no longer carries the same stigma

12:01 – Differentiation, imitation, and false individuality

12:55 – Choosing a vocation beyond market niches

15:18 – Symbolic World Summit in Oxford

17:31 – How technology reshapes the human person

18:02 – Social media as a source of mimetic desire

20:02 – Why online models become so powerful

20:48 – Technology, distraction, and the loss of strong desire

23:09 – Parasocial relationships and vicarious participation

24:42 – Can religious identity become another performance?

25:22 – Thin religion, online faith, and performative belonging

27:39 – Receiving an identity rather than inventing one

29:22 – Suffering, friction, and the consequences of the Fall

31:56 – Is it acceptable to “fake it until you make it” spiritually?

33:38 – False piety and performative religion

34:51 – The danger of the online “Orthobro”

36:16 – The family as a school of communion

38:32 – Differentiating yourself from your family

40:57 – Homogenization versus communion

41:09 – Teenage rebellion as hostile individuation

42:00 – Rebellion as a substitute rite of passage

43:51 – Why identity must serve something higher

45:43 – The family should not become an isolated unit

47:26 – Does it take a village to raise a child?

48:47 – When political identity is built through opposition

49:34 – Internal family systems and the divided self

52:23 – How algorithms feed fragmented parts of ourselves

53:21 – Monetizing anger and online performance

54:56 – What hope is there for young people?

55:47 – Give young people a name, not a niche

58:05 – Communities we cannot easily abandon

01:00:04 – Choosing deliberately what previous generations inherited naturally

01:02:25 – Friendship, commitment, and cultural renewal

01:04:03 – Final thoughts on individuation and communion

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Deacon Seraphim Rohlin joins me for an emergency Universal History episode to debate Christopher Nolan’s adaptation of The Odyssey. We discuss what the film gets right and where it misunderstands the ancient world.

YouTube version: https://youtu.be/lKIxTvWNDNw

Join us September 24–26, 2026 for a summit, hosted by Symbolic World in St Giles’, Oxford, United Kingdom at Pusey House: https://symbolicworldsummit.com/

Register now for the Universal History Masterclass: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass

Price: $180 USD (Get 10% off if you're an Involved patron)

Course Length: 6 weeks, 12 hours

Live classes are on Wednesdays at 3-5 pm Eastern Time, starting August 5th through September 9th, 2026

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Spoiler alert. In this video, I offer a full symbolic breakdown of Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey, going through the entire film sequence by sequence to examine its use of trickery, guilt, hospitality, memory, and the return of the father. I explain that I think Nolan is deliberately unsettling both the left and the right, and why the story he tells is definitely a contemporary retelling, but ultimately more traditional than many viewers realize – and that’s exactly why it’s needed in our world right now.

YouTube version: https://youtu.be/ESIzQNfmAo4

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Malcolm Guite is a poet and Anglican priest. He is a Life Fellow of Girton College, Cambridge and lives in Norfolk, England. He lectures widely in England and North America on Theology and Literature. His books include Sounding the Seasons; Seventy Sonnets for the Christian Year (Canterbury 2012). The Singing Bowl; Collected Poems (Canterbury 2013) and Parable and Paradox (Canterbury Press 2016) and Mariner: A Voyage with Samuel Taylor Coleridge (Hodder 2017) After Prayer (Canterbury Press 2019) and The Word Within the Words (DLT 2021) and Lifting The Veil, Square Halo, 2021.

In 2023 he was awarded the Archbishop Lanfranc Medal for Education and Scholarship by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

He is presently working on Merlin’s Isle: an Arthuriad a four volume epic poem on The Arthurian legends

He has a Youtube series called ‘A Spell in the Library’ at https://www.youtube.com/c/MalcolmGuitespell

YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/E5En6DZTYFk

Galahad and the Holy Grail: https://store.rabbitroom.com/products/merlins-isle

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Timestamps:

00:00 – Coming up

01:29 – Introduction

03:05 – Malcolm Guite’s Calling as Priest and Poet

06:39 – Can the Imagination Be Dangerous?

09:27 – Imagination as the Organ of Meaning

11:58 – Fantasy, Escapism, and Enchantment

15:46 – Why Arthurian Stories Resist Modernization

19:57 – Galahad and the Grail

21:20 – What Arthurian Stories Reveal About Human Brokenness

23:27 – The Scope of Malcolm’s Arthurian Project

26:05 – The Dolorous Stroke and the Origin of the Wasteland

30:54 – “You Live in Just Such a World”

33:20 – The Wasteland as a Pattern of Reality

37:51 – Recovering the Christian Meaning of the Grail

40:44 – Universal History Masterclass

42:42 – Why Malcolm Chose the Ballad Form

44:59 – The Collapse of the Materialist Worldview

49:41 – Remembering Without Falling into Unreason

51:46 – Tradition as Active Remembrance

53:19 – Tradition as the Roots of a Living Tree

54:40 – How Irony Destroys Old Stories

57:56 – Daring to Be Naive Again

58:28 – The Four-Volume Arthurian Series

59:54 – Why the Beauty of the Book Matters

01:01:10 – Chivalry, Masculinity, and the Civilized Warrior

01:02:23 – Fellow Travelers in the Recovery of Meaning

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In this video, I discuss Christopher Nolan’s highly anticipated new film adaptation of The Odyssey after watching it at the premiere.

YouTube version: https://youtu.be/K3wkrDbRgDs

Sign up for the Universal History Masterclass during the month of July and get 15% off: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/universal-history-masterclass

🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/