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  • Using Genograms: A Systemic Therapeutic Tool. In conversation with Monica McGoldrick

    In this episode we meet with the one and only Monica McGoldrick as she takes us through her career and journey in using family genograms in her clinical work. We hear how Monica has developed her ideas throughout the years and the use of symbols, patterns and the importance of exploring life cycles. This is a unique opportunity of hearing a master therapist share her insights into the application of this integral tool in systemic family therapy. 

    Monica McGoldrick, MSW, PhD (h.c.),  Director of the Multicultural Family Institute
    Teacher, author and family therapist. She has an international reputation as a trainer and author. She is on the Clinical Faculty of the Psychiatry Department of the Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. Her books include Ethnicity and Family Therapy (3rd ed), The Expanded Family Life Cycle (5th ed. 2017), Genograms (3rd ed), Living Beyond Loss (2nd ed), Re-Visioning Family Therapy: Race, Culture and Gender in Clinical Practice (2nd ed), Women in Families, and The Genogram Journey: Reconnecting with Your Family (2nd ed of You Can Go Home Again, 2011).  Her newest book the Genogram Casebook was published by W.W. Norton in 2016.  She is also the author of a number of clinical videos available through www.psychotherapy.net.

    See more of Monica's work at:

    https://multiculturalfamily.org

    1 hr 29 min
  • The Mother & Daughter Puzzle - Attachment, history mapping and the impact of societal and generational stories: In conversation with Rosjke Hasseldine

    In this episode we discuss the mother and daughter relationship with Rosjke Hasseldine. Rosjke has spent almost 30 years working therapeutically with mothers and daughters and researching the factors that contribute to the complexity of this relationship. 

    Rosjke has trained over1000 therapists and coaches from 20 different countries in her   Mother-Daughter Attachment training.

    In this conversation, Rosjke  some of her experiences, therapeutic interventions and the model she has developed (the mother and daughter attachment model) which is a very important contribution to this often ignored area of clinical research. 

    Find out more about Rosjke;'s work at https://www.rosjke.com


    1 hr 5 min
  • Systemic Supervision: Improvisation, Creativity and the use of Metaphors with Karen Partridge

    In this episode we talk with systemic psychotherapist, supervisor and trainer Karen Partridge about the role of creativity and improvisation in systemic supervision. Karen takes us on a journey of metaphors through "swampy lowlands", "constructive awkwardness", "positioning compass" and her "rememberall".

    Karen shares her ideas of connecting to our creative selves and how to embrace it within the supervision process.

    1 hr 8 min
  • AFT conference 2022 - Reflections, appreciations and resonances - Old Wisdoms and New Truths.

    Welcome back after a short summer break.

    In this episode we reflect on the wonderful AFT 2022 Conference entitled: Transgenerational stories of hope across cultures; old wisdoms and new truths which was host by the West Yorkshire AFT at the Queens Hotel in Leeds.

    We share our reflections, highlights and the experience of the conference and also speak to attendees, presenters and organisers about their favourite moments and what the conference meant to them.

    Massive thank you for everyone who took their time to speak with us and in this episode we feature:
    Carole Hunt
    Hugh Palmer
    Paul Walton
    Diane Holdsworth 
    Kevin Simmons
    Diane Morrison
    Michaela Wickham-Hills
    Marian Dixon
    Hannah Sherbersky

    Apologies for those we spoke with at the conference but could not include due to some audio issues. 

    1 hr 32 min
  • Stories Lived and Stories Told: Discussing the legacy and documentary film of the KCC

    In this episode we meet with the filmmakers of the documentary film "KCC Stories Lived and Stories Told" which was premiered at the AFT conference 2021.  We meet with the creators, Rick Murphy, Helen Mahaffey, Ayesha Aslam, Mark Chidgey and Karen Partridge as they share their reflections on key moments from the film, their thoughts on making the film and their memories of the KCC and what it means to them. 


    We invite you to all watch the film (if you haven't already) and  share in  reflecting about the memory and legacy of the KCC.

    You can watch the full film here:

    https://youtu.be/j48EfTVsJoo

    Please do share with us your reflections, memories and thoughts about the KCC, the documentary and this episode at  https://www.instagram.com/thesystemicway/

    1 hr 18 min
  • Discovering The Mythical Land of Ireland's Fifth Province - With Dr Imelda McCarthy

    Dr Imelda McCarthy PhD. joins us to share the story, development and practice of the Fifth Province. Imelda talk with us about how the Fifth Province evolved within the context of Ireland, the wider systemic community and the connections it has with spirituality. She gives us examples of using the myth  in practice and how the model invites space into the therapy room. We also hear about thematic diamonds and to work with oppositional positions.

    Dr Imelda  McCarthy, PhD. is a systemic/social constructionist therapist, supervisor and consultant.   She has affiliations with School of Applied Social Science at University College Dublin where she was a director of the PhD program in families and systemic therapies and a senior university lecturer. She currently works in private practice while she teaches and consults nationally and internationally.  Imelda is also affiliated with Kensington Consultation Centre (London, UK), is on the faculty of the TAOS institute PhD programme. She has written and presented both nationally and internationally in over 20 countries on the topics of Women, Child Sexualised Abuse, Poverty and Spirituality and Therapy.

    From 1981 – 1995 Imelda was a member of a clinical team, the Fifth Province Associates whose work along with her own has been translated into eight languages. She is also a co-founder of the Irish Family Therapy Association and Ireland’s first professional training programme in family therapy at the Mater Misericordiae Hospital in Dublin.

    Check out Imelda's website:

    www.imeldamccarthy.com




    1 hr 16 min
  • The Systemic Lens Episode 1: The Wizard of Oz and Systemic Stories of Gender, Power and the Discovery of Self Through Relational Means

    Introducing our new podcast adventure - The Systemic Lens. We are a group of systemic therapist with a love for film, TV, music, literature and theatre and will be using systemic theory to share our reflections, thoughts and resonances on some our our favourites. 

    Through these podcast we hope to expand the bounds of systemic application and offer alternative forms of analysis to film, TV, Music, literature etc. We also hope to provide new ways for people to connect with systemic ideas.

    We begin with an a systemic exploration of the classic Wizard of Oz and discuss issues of gender, power and the discovery of self through relationships. 

    Enjoy. 

    1 hr 48 min
  • The 1.5 Order Position: An exploration of "knowing" and "not-knowing" in therapy with Ged Smith.

    In this episode we talk with Dr Ged Smith about his ideas on taking a 1.5 order position in therapy. Ged introduces us to the meaning of the 1.5 order position and shows us ways to operate within and between first and second order positions from his own experience. 

    In this podcast we discuss the therapeutic conundrums and tensions between the therapists  position as expert and collaborator; having certainty and exploring and knowing and not-knowing.

    59 min
  • Nick Pendry on Embedding Conversations about Race and Racism into our Everyday Practice.

    Nick Pendry is a social worker and family therapist. He is currently employed as the deputy director of children's services at the London Borough of Wandsworth. He identifies as a Brown-Indian man. Nick has worked in various roles in the NHS and local authority children’s services. He is particularly interested in embedding systemic ideas and practices into children’s social care and in the construction of race and racism.

    In this conversation Nick Pendry shares his thoughts and reflections on race and racism and how they inform and shape his practice. Nick invites us to consider our own positions and how together we can open the door to more authentic, meaningful and transformative conversations about race and racism. 

    1 hr 10 min
  • Inga-Britt Krause on the Complexity of Teaching Race and Equity
    In this episode we hear about Inga-Britt Krause's professional life with a focus on race and equity - the importance of teaching it and the nuances that need to be held in mind. The conversation is framed around her paper "Can we teach race and equity? (2022)" and we hope it invites a lens of curiosity and reflection on where we are at with race and equity as a systemic community.


    Inga-Britt Krause is Training and Development Consultant with special reference to race and equity at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust where she also worked as a Consultant Systemic Psychotherapist in a Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service. She first trained as a Social Anthropologist at the London School of Economics and Political Science and teaches widely, nationally and internationally, on the subject of social science and psychotherapy and about the place of culture and race in clinical practice and theory.

    Paper discussed in this episode:
    Krause, I. B. (2022). Can we teach race and equity?. Journal of Family Therapy, 44(1), 157-170.

    New publication:
    Barbetta, P., Cavagnis, M. E., Krause, I. B., & Telfener, U. (2022). Ethical and aesthetic explorations of systemic practice: New critical reflections. Taylor & Francis.

    1 hr 13 min

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