Nic and Tarina start off with a good laugh at themselves and one another. One because of Nic’s always hard nipples (seriously, you gotta listen to it). And Tarina’s gig work as a helper of Amazon and USPS delivery guys while wearing flip flops.

Nic goes into more detail about how he helps apprentices understand finding the right fit career. So, he expands on his “Three Circles” idea: 1) What are you passionate about? 2) What are your skills? 3) What will the market pay for?

Together they map Nic’s path for how got to where he is today as a professional speaker. He figured out that he’s good at taking complex ideas and breaking them down into easy-to-understand simple solutions. And how his real passion is helping people—to which Tarina replies, “See, you like helping people, too!” But Nic eventually took a 30,000-foot view to fully appreciate 1) what he was passionate about; 2) what he was good at; and (most importantly) 3) what the market would pay for.

What Nic and Tarina find important about this topic is the tendency of many people to focus on only one aspect of the Three Circles. As Nic says, “When we find ourselves taking a job or a career because of the money. If we only look at what it pays, we’re going to find ourselves in a career that we’re miserable in.” This they see as a major cause of burnout.

The leader’s job in these situations, especially when they see burnout in one of their people, is to apply the breaks for them. This is important for both parents and leaders. So, it’s not a day off people need. They may need you to help make sure they take a little breather. And it’s about giving them the protection, the air cover, they need to do a little less so they can realign and keep going.

And sometimes even leaders need to take a step back. If things aren’t working, the right thing to do is the hard thing to do. This might look like a foreman stepping up to step out and return to working a journeyman again.

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