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Today, I spoke with Robert Hartley, who is a former Australian Army Officer who served for 12 years in the Artillery Corps before transitioning to a civilian career in the technology sector. During his time in the military, Robert deployed on exchange with the British Army on Operation Herrick XII (12) to Helmand Province, Afghanistan in 2010. In his civilian life, Robert has worked for a number of technology companies, including Microsoft, before joining a start-up where he is an Executive Director.
Robert joins me today to discuss his life in the Army, how his deployment to Helmand resulted in a PTSD diagnosis, as well as his journey to recovery, which includes being part of the ketamine program that I discussed at length with Dr Alex Lim a few episodes ago.
Things we covered include:
- Rob’s entry into the Army and the Artillery Corps
Rotation into Helmand with the British ArmyThe thrill of preparing for and going to warUse of artillery as a direct-fire weaponThe reality of Helmand as the ‘kinetic province’How the local population perceived the Coalition ForcesDealing with numerous casualtiesReflecting on mateship, camaraderie, and sense of purposeThe process of desensitisation to war and combatReflection on the burden of commandThe challenge of preserving one’s own moral compassThe struggle of upholding the delicate facade of morality in battleThe price of extreme compartmentalisation and rationalisationReturning home, signs that things weren’t right and asking for helpSymptoms, PTSD diagnosis, and importance of command supportShort-term fixes but eventual relapse, downward spiral, and continual emotional compartmentalisationThe path to recovery and reconnecting to emotionsJoining Dr Alex Lim’s ketamine program, onboarding, and treatment initiationA reflection on the ketamine treatment, its sensations, experiences, and insightsWhy ketamine remains contentiousHow the ketamine treatment affected Rob’s relationships with his wife and childrenWhy seeking help matters!During this discussion, we referred to the following previous episodes:
Ashley Judd – On combat, mental health and the road to recovery
Dr Alex Lim - On veterans’ mental health: the good, the bad and the promising
Given the nature of this discussion, and the fact that many in our audience are veterans, there is a risk that elements of this episode might be difficult listening for some. If this is the case, I encourage you to seek help through one of the many channels nowadays available, some of which are listed below (Australian audiences only):
(1800 628 036 / +612 9425 3878 if O/S)
https://www.openarms.gov.au/
Defence Community Organisation (DCO)
http://www.defence.gov.au/dco/
https://www.lifeline.org.au
Suicide Call back service
https://www.suicidecallbackservice.org.au