Jacob Helberg (@jacobhelberg), author of The Wires of War, joins Erik to discuss:

- The “gray war” that Jacob believes the US is in with China, and why he feels it’s important to call it a war rather than a competition.

- Technology and cyber weapons and how they can be used for political warfare with plausible denability.

- The window of opportunity that the US and its allies have to take a proactive approach to China.

- The bull case and bear case for China.

- What’s at stake in Taiwan.

- Why countries involved in China’s belt-and-road initiative are having second thoughts.

- What actions Jacob would like to see the US take in the future to counteract China.

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