Kerry Lutz and Steve Goreham discussed energy and the environment and today's misguided government policies. They expressed skepticism about the practicality of achieving net zero emissions by 2050 and emphasized the importance of prioritizing low-cost, reliable energy and addressing real pollution. They also discussed the potential consequences of a weakening electric grid and the need for people to recognize the risks associated with over-reliance on electric power.

They explored various aspects of electric vehicles, acknowledging the challenges and costs associated with electric vehicle ownership, and debated the market penetration of electric cars. Finally, they delved into a detailed discussion about the challenges and drawbacks of renewable energy, emphasizing the significant impact on electricity prices, the potential for increased blackouts, and the high cost of grid-scale batteries.

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