My guest today is Samuel Kullmann, a Member of Parliament from Switzerland’s Canton Bern, entrepreneur, and one of Europe’s first openly pro-Bitcoin politicians. His journey began in 2015 when the Swiss National Bank dropped its euro peg, pushing him to study money, move from gold to Bitcoin, and embrace hard-money principles. We discuss how Switzerland’s decentralized system — shared executive power, binding referendums, and a constitutional “debt brake” — aligns with Bitcoin’s ethos. Samuel details his opposition to Switzerland’s new digital ID law, warning of normalization and future linkage with CBDCs. 

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-- CHAPTERS –

00:00 - Coming Up…

01:30 - Introduction to Samuel: Swiss Politician & Bitcoin Advocate

03:50 - Bitcoin Advocacy 

06:40 - Politicians in Bitcoin Generally, and Specifically in Switzerland

08:55 - Separating Money & State in Switzerland

10:31 - Swiss Referendum System & Direct Democracy

16:44 - Digital ID in Switzerland

22:58 - Concerns About Digital ID Linked to CBDCs

28:11 - Short Questions & Closing Remarks