In this episode of The Spinoso Podcast, I tell a story I don't share often.

It's the first year of Arete. I'm broke, overworked, and all-in. I'm working three jobs. I've spent half my life savings just to be in the room. And then Tim Grover takes the stage.

Next thing I know, he stops the room and asks for me by name.

Not because I was special. Not because I asked for it. But because he was paying attention.

He publicly breaks down who I am, what I'm doing, and why excuses don't survive in the presence of discipline. He compares the work ethic required to build a real business to the standard demanded by people like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. And then he drops a line I'll never forget.

That moment didn't change my trajectory overnight. But it fueled the hell out of it.

We talk about being recognized when you're not looking for applause, what it means to be a "Cleaner," why Cleaners never think they are one, and how quiet execution compounds over time. This is a full-circle moment, a leadership lesson, and a reminder that the work always shows… eventually.