Trial & Error

Trial & Error — Episode 15: The Most Dangerous Place

A verdict is a powerful thing to argue with. Before he was the State's witness, Jason Kilzer was Dylan Adams's alibi. In this episode, we go through the record: the years of denials, the federal gun charge that put him in a cell beside Dylan, the recorded warnings he gave before he flipped — and how his death in 2025, days before a hearing, left questions no one has answered. Forensic neuropsychologist Dr. Katie Spirko examines the case files, the interrogations, and the evidence the jury never saw. In this episode, she meets with Sheila Kilzer, surviving mother of Jason Kilzer, who died 08/08/2025 in an officer-involved shooting. in Henderson County, TN, while she stood watching in horror. Dr. Spirko also speaks with an inmate who shared the pod with Jason Kilzer and Dylan Adams.

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💛 SUPPORT THIS WORK A supporter has set up a fund for Dr. Spirko's legal defense — and beyond that, to seed a community legal defense fund for residents of Tennessee's 24th Judicial District. Every dollar goes first to legal costs; anything beyond goes to the community fund. Donations can be 100% anonymous. Donate or share (sharing helps as much as giving): https://gofund.me/ce4fbab2a Forget the five minutes the State used. This is the rest of the spreadsheet. For fifteen years, the Holly Bobo case has been argued on a fraction of the phone record — one carrier out of four, five minutes out of 88,000 rows. Tonight I put every alibi in Holly's inner circle up against the full record, under four rules that don't bend: objective records over recollection, voice calls over texts, artifacts thrown out — and the same rules that condemn a row have to be the rules that clear one. Then I show you what nobody has ever integrated before: all four carriers' tower data from the morning of April 13, 2011 — more than 100,000 rows — merged into a single log for the first time. Including the one tower this case physically went to, and the record everyone was reading barely reached. And at the end of it, a name. A name I found backwards, starting from nothing but a phone number behaving strangely on a tower in Holladay during the twenty-three minutes Holly's phone went dark one corridor away. A name that appears nowhere in 2,491 investigative reports. Nowhere in the witness list. Nowhere in the file at all. Who is Derrick Hall? If you know him — if you can hand me the boring explanation, the work order, the reason to be standing on that ground at nine o'clock on a Wednesday morning — I want it, and I will air it: [email protected] PLEASE READ: No one named in this episode has been charged with anything related to Holly Bobo's disappearance, and nothing in this episode is proof that anyone named harmed her. Every person is identified only as the subscriber associated with a cellular account; every location claim is a phone on a tower sector — never a person at a scene. A phone record can tell you where a phone was. It cannot tell you who was holding it, or why. Please do not contact, harass, or accuse anyone. If you have information, send it to the email above or to law enforcement.

Forget everything you thought you knew… let’s go back to the beginning…

With Zach Adams's post-conviction relief hearing over, Dr. Spirko is finally off her sequestration order and rejoining the podcast. In this episode, she brings you back to the Hardin County Courthouse in Savannah, TN, for attorney Doug Bates's closing statement before Judge Brent Bradberry.  

Trial attorney and co-host Dana McLendon III provides recent court updates and takes you through the August 14, 2025, testimony of Jerry Gonzalez. Mr. Gonzalez provided a jaw-dropping account of his experiences as co-counsel for Zach Adams in the 2017 trial of Zach Adams for the 2011 kidnapping, assault, and murder of 20-year-old nursing student Holly Bobo from Darden, Tennessee. 

This episode continues to delve into the heart-wrenching case of 20-year-old nursing student Holly Bobo, who was abducted from her family home on April 13, 2011. This heinous crime sparked the most expensive and exhaustive investigation in Tennessee’s history, yet justice has never been achieved. Three years after her disappearance, Holly’s skeletal remains were discovered in an area pinpointed by US Marshals Senior Investigator Johnny Walker, a master fugitive hunter. Despite the insights of Walker, TBI lead agent Terry Dicus, and FBI agent Art Viveros, all of whom identified convicted serial rapist Terry Britt as a prime suspect, these agents were removed from the investigation, and Britt was never charged. In a shocking twist, law enforcement named four innocent men as suspects, despite a complete lack of physical evidence linking them to the crime and verified alibis proving their innocence. The repercussions were devastating: one man took his own life after enduring years of harassment, while two others pled guilty to avoid the same fate as Zach Adams, the only man to face trial. Adams is now serving a life sentence without parole, while his brother Dylan is serving 35 years on an Alford plea. In this special video episode on YouTube (also available on all major streaming platforms in audio format), seasoned trial attorney Dana McLendon guides us through raw interview and testimony footage of the innocent brothers. With his professional better half, Dr. Katie Spirko, still under a gag order from state prosecutors, co-host Dana reveals these men's alibis from that fateful day and exposes evidence that has been hidden for over a decade corroborating their accounts. Join us to explore one of the most disturbing examples of false confessions and coerced witness testimony in American history.

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As Dr. Katie Spirko remains under a court-imposed sequestration order, join co-host Dana McLendon on the latest episode of the Trial & Error podcast. This episode peels back the curtain to expose the questionable investigation and interrogation tactics underlying the testimony of another key witness in the 2017 State of Tennessee vs Zach Adams trial: Victor Dinsmore. Join Dana in examining raw audio footage of Victor Dinsmore's multiple conversations with TBI Special Agent Brent Booth and retired Memphis cop Dennis Benjamin, highlighting how Victor's testimony was shaped by suggestive questioning and unfair intimidation efforts.

In this gripping episode, with Dr. Katie Spirko under a sequestration order barring her from discussing the case, co-host Dana McLendon takes you on a solo journey through the shocking second half of Dylan Adams' coerced and verifiably false confession. Even the TBI admits Dylan's account of events cannot be true. As tensions rise, delve into the intense (and intensely ridiculous) interrogation led by Tennessee Bureau of Investigation special agent Jeff Jackson, with Brent Booth present in the room. Dana McLendon unpacks the unsettling dynamics of the interrogation, highlighting the alarming bureaucratic incompetence that lead to a clearly forced and coached confession riddled with inconsistencies, investigator-initiated details, and pressure to adopt THEIR narrative of the crime. Join us as we expose the chilling realities of this fatally flawed investigation. 

In her first announcement since trial dates in the Zach Adams vs. State of Tennessee post-conviction relief petition commenced, Dr. Spirko explains why she can no longer discuss the case, and what is happening to the podcast in light of this latest development. 

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