Josh, Shana, Tooks, and Jordan answer listener questions about season 6, the FBI interviews, the future of the show, Hunters WA, and more. We chat at length about the Ackernecht, Cooke, Mayo, Murray, and Tidwell cases.

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Boy, do we have a lot of thoughts and feelings on this episode. Josh discusses disagreements with Halla, perceived holes in Halla's logic, information gained, the architecture of next season, 2025 as a whole, season 6 as a whole, his least favorite episode, new projects, the featured song, and more. Plus, an unaired clip from the Halla interview.  

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The true crime podcasting community has come together for the holiday season to discuss all things true crime podcasting. Over the next two weeks, ten shows will be dropping bonus episodes sharing these conversations. In this episode, I'm joined by Alvin Williams (Affirmative Murder) and Javier Leiva (Pretend) to discuss how we started our shows, true crime as an industry, how we've grown and lessons we've learned, cases we've covered, monetizing true crime, television, the future of our shows, and more.

Check out Alvin's and Javier's shows:
Affirmative Murder
Pretend

Other true crime conversations coming:
• Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), The Captain (True Crime Garage), Charlie (Crimelines)
• Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Charlie (Crimelines)
• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Javier (Pretend), Whitney (Navigating Advocacy)
• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Melissa (Navigating Advocacy), Robert (The Broken System)

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The true crime podcasting community has come together for the holiday season to discuss all things true crime podcasting. Over the next two weeks, ten shows will be dropping bonus episodes sharing these conversations. In this episode, I'm joined by The Captain (True Crime Garage) and Charlie Worroll (Crimelines) to discuss highs and lows of podcasting, true crime events, criticism, being public-facing, self-doubt, growing pains, and more.

Check out Charlie's and Captain's shows:
Crimelines
True Crime Garage

Other true crime conversations coming:
• Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Alvin (Affirmative Murder), Javier (Pretend)
• Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Charlie (Crimelines)
• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Javier (Pretend), Whitney (Navigating Advocacy)
• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Melissa (Navigating Advocacy), Robert (The Broken System)

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The season six finale is over a decade in the making; Josh sits down with FBI Special Agent Ted Halla to discuss the Keyes investigation, share new information and ideas, rule out potential victims, and develop our clearest look yet at the details surrounding 5 of Keyes's victims. 

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.  
Featuring: FBI SA Ted Halla.  
Sound editing by: Darron Wood of the Defense Diaries podcast.   

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:  
www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi  
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Music by: William Hellfire, Radical Face, Sergey Cheremisinov, and Sero.  
Featured song: The Museum by Half Waif  

Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annemarie Cash, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Christina Sisson, Corey Deatly, Dale Akstin, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton-Whedon, Jen Jacobi, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Nicole Guzman, Pink, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Michael Beers, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, Spooky Express, and Lydia Fiedler.


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Josh continues his look into the strange disappearance of Roger Jung. The team analyzes tips, reviews the Keyes timeline, data mines, and gets some help from the Everett Police Department.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
Additional research by: Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, Jordan Taylor, and Kim K.  
Sound editing by: Darron Wood of the Defense Diaries podcast.  
 
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Trova Trip to Chile & Argentina

Music by: William Hellfire, HIVE, Radical Face, Sergey Cheremisinov. 
Featured song by: Sunriver

Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annemarie Cash, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Christina Sisson, Corey Deatly, Dale Akstin, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton-Whedon, Jen Jacobi, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Nicole Guzman, Pink, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Michael Beers, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, Spooky Express, and Lydia Fiedler.

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The team deep-dives a Washington State case that has come up time and time again over the years. New case files, new leads, and a strange online comment in a very cold case turn a mysterious disappearance on its head.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
Research assistance by: Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, Jordan Taylor, and Kim K.  
 
This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:  
www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi  
For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand  

Trova Trip to Chile & Argentina

Music by: William Hellfire, Itai Argaman, Whithe, Sergey Cheremisinov. 
Featured song by: Katie Herzig  

Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annemarie Cash, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Christina Sisson, Corey Deatly, Dale Akstin, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton-Whedon, Jen Jacobi, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Nicole Guzman, Pink, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Michael Beers, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, Spooky Express, and Lydia Fiedler.

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On June 10th, 1983, the decomposing body of a well-dressed man was found in a desolate canyon near Los Angeles. John Doe #94 would soon be identified as missing variety show producer Roy Radin. He'd last been seen after meeting with a mysterious woman in a gold dress. Her name was Lanie Jacobs.

Jacobs and Radin were obsessed with becoming Hollywood movie producers. And when their paths collided, it led them to a tantalizing film deal promising fame and fortune. But then, a twisted script unfolded, plunging them into a million-dollar cocaine and cash heist, a tangled web of lies, and ultimately – murder.

The trail led investigators right to Hollywood's doorstep, linking former golden boy producer Robert Evans to the case and dredging up Radin's own troubled past.

But the case turned ice cold. It would take more than five years of dogged pursuit by the L.A. Sheriff’s Department detectives, a secret undercover witness, and another murder almost 3,000 miles from Hollywood – to unlock the truth.

This is the story of a doomed Hollywood partnership, a grisly murder and the search that stretched across the country for a killer – or killers.

From Wondery, and the team behind the hit series Hollywood & Crime: The Dating Game Killer, The Wonderland Murders, Death of Starlet, and the Execution of Bonny Lee Bakley comes a six part series that dives into the dark side of Hollywood through a shocking murder – fueled by ruthless ambition and desperate dreams. Co-hosted by Tracy Pattin and Josh Lucas.

Listen to Hollywood & Crime: The Cotton Club Murder

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This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
This episode featured: Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, Jordan Taylor, and Joshua and Dakota from Somewhere in the Pines.  
 
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Music by: William Hellfire, Radical Face, Whithe, Sergey Cheremisinov. 
Featured song by: Kashka  

Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annemarie Cash, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Christina Sisson, Dale Akstin, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton-Whedon, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Nicole Guzman, Pink, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Michael Beers, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, Spooky Express, and Lydia Fiedler.

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As the investigation into Marble Arvidson's disappearance heats up, it takes Josh and the team to a second nearby disappearance with some overwhelming connections to Keyes. And a theory the team considered several years ago, rears its very ugly head.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
With additional research assistance by: Jordan Taylor, Shana Wilensky, and Michelle Tooker.  
 
Resources included:
• https://www.boston.com/uncategorized/noprimarytagmatch/2011/10/19/police-search-for-missing-shelburne-woman/
• https://digital.nepr.net/news/2016/08/29/hurricane-irene-its-been-five-years-since-shelburne-falls-building-sailed-away/
• https://www.wwlp.com/news/hurricane-irene-remembered-in-franklin-county-five-years-later/

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www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi  
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Music by: William Hellfire, La Bon, Yehezkel Rez, Dan Mayo, and Parhelion. 
Featured song by: The National  

Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annemarie Cash, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Christina Sisson, Dale Akstin, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton-Whedon, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Nicole Guzman, Pink, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Michael Beers, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, Spooky Express, and Lydia Fiedler.

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