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UNCHAINED: Bitcoin Layer 2s Aim to Attract Ethereum-Like Dapps. Will They Succeed?


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Build on Bitcoin (BOB), Botanix, and Citrea plan to bring DeFi, perps, stablecoins, and much more to the Bitcoin ecosystem. Here’s how.


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In this episode of Unchained, host Laura interviews Alexei Zamyatin, co-founder of Build on Bitcoin, Willem Schroé, founder of Botanix Labs, and Orkun Kılıç, co-founder of Chainway Labs. They discuss their respective projects, all of which are focused on developing Layer 2 solutions for Bitcoin. 

Zamyatin's Build on Bitcoin is a hybrid Layer 2 that connects to both Bitcoin and Ethereum, aiming to bring innovation back to the Bitcoin ecosystem. Schroé's Botanix Labs is developing a decentralized Layer 2 solution using the ‘Spiderchain,’ which uses a series of multi-signature wallets to secure the chain. Kılıç's Chainway Labs is building Citrea, a zk-Rollup on Bitcoin that aims to create a Bitcoin-backed economy. 

All three projects are in various stages of development and testing, with BOB’s mainnet launch expected shortly.

Show highlights:

  • Introduction to Build on Bitcoin (BOB), Botanix, and Citrea: How they aim to innovate and expand Bitcoin's capabilities, including their architectural designs that integrate Ethereum users and work toward decentralization and trustlessness.
  • Security Aspects and Integration Strategies: What the security risks associated with BOB, Botanix, and Citrea are, and strategies to enhance decentralization over time?
  • How these layer 2s influence Bitcoin fees, and how Botanix's integration can leverage the Bitcoin ecosystem, with insights on the potential of Layer 3s and zk-rollups to transform Bitcoin's utility and fee dynamics.
  • How these projects aim to attract Ethereum users and developers, and the reasons why this may be an attractive opportunity for them
  • How Runes, Ordinals, and BRC-20s operate on Citrea, Botanix, and BOB
  • How Bitcoin is always a derivative when it’s not in its layer 1 and the pros and cons of different bridging solutions
  • The concept of forward secrecy and how it can help improve security in blockchains
  • Why Willem believes that Layer 3s are possible and bullish for Bitcoin
  • How ‘merged mining” resembles Ethereum’s restaking and why it’s positive for Bitcoin
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    Guests | 

    Willem Schroé, founder of Botanix Labs 

    Orkun Kılıç, cofounder of Chainway Labs 

    Alexei Zamyatin, cofounder of Build on Bitcoin

    Links | 

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    Build on Bitcoin

    • BOB learning documents
    • Announcement of mainnet on May 1st.
    • Unchained: Bitcoin DeFi App Sovryn to Deploy on Hybrid Layer 2 Network Build on Bitcoin
    • Alexei’s tweet on BitVM/rollups 
    • Alexei went on a retreat with the inventor of BitVM
    • Citrea

      • Unchained: Here's What You Should Know About Citrea, Bitcoin's First ZK Rollup
      • Whitepaper
      • Orkun Mahir Kılıç’s interview on Unchained Premium
      • Citrea learning documents
      • Clementine -Citrea's BitVM Based Trust-Minimized Two-Way Peg Program
      • Botanix

        • CoinDesk: Willem Schroé: Building Botanix, a Bitcoin Layer 2 That Brings the EVM to Bitcoin
        • Botanix and the Future of Bitcoin
        • Bitcoin Magazine: Spiderchains: A Proof Of Stake Second Layer For Bitcoin
        • Willem Schroé’s interview on Unchained Premium

        • Learn More |

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