Under the Scales

How did Phish go from playing cafeteria gigs at UVM to Madison Square Garden in only 10 years? We start to chart this path by looking at shows from 1983-1986, where intimate venues like Nectar’s and Doolin’s offered the band a chance to practice and refine their live sets. And at the same time, more experimental shows at places like Goddard College allowed the band to push further into the unknown. At the same time, the transition from a two-guitar band to a four-piece with keys, and the introduction of lots of new songs, combined to lay the foundation of Phish’s modern sound. 

In episode two of Undermine, RJ Bee, Jonathan Hart, Matt Dwyer, and Brad TenBrook explore some of Phish’s fundamental shows from 1983-1986, and the songs, venues, and overall sound that developed during these years. 

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

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How did a band with no major label from a small city in Northern Vermont become one of the biggest bands in music within a decade? What were the origins of Phish and what laid the foundation for their cultural timeline and organic growth?

In the first episode of Undermine, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall brings in the perspectives of fans and collaborators who saw their rise in Vermont and helped to create the scene that was critical as the band found their groove and structure in the early 80s. 

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

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This is the final Under the Scales episode! We are merging with two other Phish podcasts to form Undermine, a new weekly podcast starting in February 2021.

In this episode, friend and Osiris colleague Mike Finoia joins Tom to discuss the song Two Versions of Me, a Phish song written in 2003.

If you are currently an Under the Scales subscriber, you don’t have to do anything — you will automatically be subscribed to the new podcast Undermine. Otherwise, subscribe NOW to not miss any amazing Phishy, weekly content!

Special Thanks to Mark Dowd - original Producer for Under the Scales, photo artist AND designer of the famous Under the Scales logos over the years.

Thanks to Anna Marshall who sang on both Under the Scales intro-jingles AND was a great guest.

Thanks to Nick Cejas for somehow always getting Under the Scales to bubble up to the top of the Osiris Media social feeds.

Thanks to Christina Collins for exemplary sponsorship and advertising work for Under the Scales.

Thanks to Adam and Kirsten and the Osiris team for overwhelming support and encouragement.

Thanks interns Sammy and Matt for all your hard work!

Thanks to Matt Dwyer for helping me out of tough audio fixes now and again.

Thanks to Jesse Lauter for REALLY saving my bacon TWICE with completely broken interview audio that somehow you magically fixed!

Thanks to Tebo for being there always.

Thanks to Scott Herman for finding the right words.

Thanks to Scott Gray for keeping the dream alive.

Thanks Trey for the music and mystery!

Thanks Beth Rowles on the Phish team for so much help and support.

Thanks Patrick and Jason at Red Light for endless and tireless assistance.

Thanks to my amazing Reefers!

Thanks to my faithful longtime listeners!

Thanks to my brand new listeners and everyone in-between!

Thanks to all the amazing guests who appeared on Under the Scales!

Thanks to RJ Bee for saying “yes, and…” — plus, literally everything else.

Hugs to my family for dealing with living in the same house as a podcaster…it’s not always easy!

It’s been a great ride!

Love, from Tom

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UNDERMINE comes to life!! What is Undermine? It's a new podcast!!! It is nothing short of the biggest and best Phish podcast ever. The "Big Three" Osiris Phish podcasts, Under the Scales, Helping Friendly Podcast and Beyond the Pond are merging to form the new go-to WEEKLY Phish podcast, Undermine. Weekly we said, you read that correctly...we are going to have the hosts of all the three shows working together to bring you stunning Phishy content every week. Undermine will excavate the deep history of the band through interviews, in-depth analysis of the band’s music, and looks at broader musical themes and influences. This episode is hosted by Tom Marshall from Under the Scales, RJ Bee from HF Pod and Brian Brinkman from Beyond the Pond. We give you an idea of what to expect with Undermine.

Also -- listen to this episode and something will jump out at you -- not RJ's jokes...but rather, the MUSIC! Amar Sastry, known as @brahmin_noodles on Twitter, is famous for his beautiful guitar renderings of Phish songs. We're so lucky to have gotten him to provide unbelievable original music for Undermine, and we preview it here! You will thank us.

We also each personally select a jam for your listening pleasure.

We hope you enjoy. Undermine premiers in February 2021 with the full compliment of hosts from the three shows: Brian Brinkman and David Goldstein from Beyond the Pond, RJ Bee, Matt Dwyer, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook from HF Pod, and Tom Marshall from Under the Scales.

MUSIC:

8/3/98 Halley’s>

2/28/03 Gin >

8/16/09 Number Line

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Tom is joined by fellow Osiris podcaster Mike Finoia (Comes a Time). Mike pilots the submarine as they do a deep dive into the 1998 Phish song Mountains in the Mist. Awaken beasts!

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Fall 2000 was a tumultuous time — politics were dividing the country, the internet was advancing faster than society could keep up, and the recording industry was undergoing major change. We take another look at this time through the lens of another band, Radiohead. Steven Hyden, author of a great book “This isn’t Happening” about Radiohead’s revolutionary album “Kid A” which came out in October 2000, joins Tom for a discussion which covers Phish, Radiohead and everything in between.

This Isn’t Happening can be found here: 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0306845687/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_x_tSkLFb0QVX3ZZ

Steven Hyden co-hosts an Osiris podcast of his own about the Grateful Dead called 36 From the Vault.

https://www.osirispod.com/podcasts/36-from-the-vault/

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