Under the Scales

And after all that, we go collect our thoughts and go back to waiting again for 15 minutes (they always promise it’ll be 15 minutes!). Setbreak is the time to get a grip back on reality, connect with neighbors, meet people, take a stroll, grab a bite, you name it. It’s the in between. Something has happened, and something more will happen, but for now, we wait once again.

In this episode, we explore what happens at setbreak while checking in with fans to learn more about the spiritual nature of a Phish show and to understand perspectives from using psychedelics to remaining sober at a show. We meet Jake Cohen and Rabbi Jessy Dressin, while hearing from Vic Vela, Paige Clem and more.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees.

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The anticipation has been building for hours, months...maybe even years. So many hours spent listening to shows, so much planning just to get you into the venue and in your spot for the moment we all wait for: when the lights finally drop. It’s a moment of ecstasy for many, a relief for others, and the beginning of the journey into the unknown of that night’s show for all of us in attendance. 

In this episode, we explore the routines and stories from the community—hearing about what many of us do to ensure we’re exactly where we need to be to get the most out of each show. We also further explore our diverse community. We meet the rail riders, as well as activists who are doing all they can to ensure the safety of all fans at a show. Featuring stories from Lacy Boughn, Ashley Griffin, Dave Calarco, Ashley Driscoll of GrooveSafe, and more, we further explore why the Phish scene continues to evolve, and how we can be a kinder, more respectful community. 

We’re going to take an extended set break while we all enjoy Phish’s Fall Tour. We’ll be back on Wednesday, November 3!

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. 

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There’s that moment at every Phish show where we transition from the bliss of the pre-show party to the business at hand of the show itself. We walk in, get our seats, gaze at the stage, and realize how many of us there are to see this incredible band. With this comes the realization that we’re amongst a wide and disparate tribe of people chasing the same thing, oftentimes from different starting points. 

In this episode, we explore those different starting points and the diverse group of fans that make up the Phish fan base. We hear about the challenges some fans face when feeling included in the scene, the obstacles many overcome just to experience a show, and ask some serious questions about who we are as a fanbase. Featuring stories from Malcolm Howard, Shaunea Robinson, Laura Keating, Stephanie Jenkins, and more, we highlight just how many people Phish has attracted, while showcasing ways that we can become a more unified and equal fanbase. 

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!

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At first blush, hanging out in a parking lot doesn’t sound that fun. But the Phish parking lot experience is completely different—part bazaar, part sprawling tailgating party, it’s a place for people to meet, hang out, exchange money for goods, and start the good times before a concert. 

In this episode, we stroll through the lot, conversing with vendors and artists alike, and hear from a few musicians about how Phish inspired their own creativity. Featuring stories from AJ Masthay, Dean Budnick, Joel Cummins, Holly Bowling, and more, we dive deep into the world of the lot, to learn more about why so many of us show up to a Phish venue hours before the concert even begins.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!

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When we think of the Phish community, we usually think about the obsessive, or at the very least, passionate, fans. However, behind the scenes, in every venue Phish plays in, there’s a community that works together to make sure that the show goes on—safely, smoothly, and in the most enjoyable way possible.

In this episode, we hear from the crew, the bartenders, the ushers, and so many more, as they walk us through the load in and load out process before and after every Phish show. Featuring stories from Chris 

Kuroda, Brad Sands, Beth Montouri Rowles, and more, we dive deep into the world behind the stage, to learn about the community that makes Phish shows happen. 

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!

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While many Phish fans in the early 90s discovered Phish by way of message boards and tape trades, the band solidified their status as one of the most important bands of the era through their unpredictable and thrilling live shows—and when you just had to hear, or see, the tour to understand the full story.  

In this episode, we hear about adventures on tour, and explore why “going on tour” is an essential element of the Phish community. We hear stories from fans like Drew Hitz, Chris Glushko, Gina Schmidt, and Laura Keating, while also exploring the nature of Phish criticism from fans like Dave Calarco, Steven Hyden and Rob Mitchum. 

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!

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In the early days of the internet, college kids from around the country began to congregate online to discuss Phish and trade information and live show tapes. Evolving alongside the internet itself, the community helped the band reach new fans, expand their sound and reach a level of success which few could have foreseen in the 1980s. 

In the first episode of Undermine Season Two, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall walks listeners through the evolution of tape trading and the digital dialogue around Phish in the 1990s. We hear how this community grew, with insight from people like Charlie Dirksen, Shelly Culbertson, Michael Lazerow and Stephanie Jenkins, while hearing from a lot of fans who were part of the early Phish scene. 

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!

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Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. In Season 2 we'll turn our focus to YOU, the Community. We've interviewed over 100 Phish fans to get to the heart of what's shaped this community, how it originated, how it's evolved, what issues persist, and how it's communicated with each other over the the last 30 years. In addition, we'll explore how Phish impacted the lives of their fans during 2020 & now, as live shows have returned.

Undermine Season 2 will premier on Wednesday, September 8.

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Phish tour is back, and so is the Helping Friendly Podcast! HF Pod On Tour will feature live video Quick Hits at 1pm the day after every show—on Osiris Media's Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube channels.

We'll also have podcast episodes every Tuesday with a rundown of the tour thus far. Featuring great conversation, fans who were at the shows, and lots of laughs and music. Subscribe to the Helping Friendly Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.

We'll also be doing a very special event around Dick's, and an amazing contest that will be announced soon. HF Pod On Tour is presented by Shift Cannabis.

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