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In this episode, we speak with science writer and award-winning journalist Jessica Nordell about her book The End of Bias: A Beginning. It's an extraordinarily well-researched and compellingly written explanation of the science of implicit bias, covering its manifestations in many areas, including sexism, racism, policing, and more. Our conversation tackles how to understand implicit bias, as well as evidence-based methods of attempting to solve the problems it creates. Along the way, we discuss practical police reforms, the benefits of mindfulness, the difficulty of judging past actors, and recognizing the bias and judgmentalism in ourselves. It's probably one of the most important conversations we've had on the show.

The beverages we sample in the episode are Strawberry Hibiscus and SRV from Manic Meadery.

The beverage tasting is at 3:20. To skip to the interview, go to 10:44.

You can find the transcript for this episode here.

Content note: this episode contains discussion of violence and some mild profanity.

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