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April 28Unpacked, Five Questions: Why This Photographer Spent Four Weeks in the Egyptian Desert
Welcome to Unpacked, Five Questions, a podcast that takes you behind the scenes of one great travel story. In this episode, host and executive editor Katherine LaGrave sits down with documentary photographer Nathalie Mohadjer, whose images of the desert oasis of Siwa appear in Afar's winter 2026 issue.
For four weeks in Siwa, an ancient town some 450 miles from Cairo, Nathalie traded the typical three-day shoot for a slower kind of immersion — sharing breakfasts in the old town, spending afternoons with a local woman named Fatima, and bathing in a hidden cold spring with her family's kids.
She talks with Katherine about photographing a community where Siwan women are rarely seen by outsiders, why patience and respect matter more than the camera itself, and how losing your sense of time in the desert can change the way you see a place. She also shares advice for travelers heading to Siwa — and the one moment she chose not to capture.
Meet this week's guest
Nathalie Mohadjer is a German-Iranian documentary photographer based in Paris whose work has appeared in the New York Times, Monocle, and Le Monde.

Episode highlights
How a stranger waving from a window in Siwa's ruins led to weeks of access to a local family's home, kitchen, and hidden swimming spots

Why Nathalie spent nearly four weeks in Siwa — and what that kind of time reveals about a place that most visitors see in three or four days

The ethics and art of photographing people in other cultures: when to put the camera away, and how to earn the moment rather than take it

What makes Siwa's community so distinct from the rest of Egypt — and the Berber and Tuareg roots that shape its culture

Nathalie's practical advice for travelers heading to Siwa: slow down, talk to strangers, and don't be afraid to follow an unexpected invitation

Links & resources
Follow Nathalie Mohadjer on Instagram

Explore her visual story about Siwa, Egypt on Afar

Explore her photographs of Oman in her first Afar feature
Chapters
00:00:00 Introduction
00:03:00 Arriving in Siwa
00:09:00 Meeting Fatima
00:17:00 Photographing with Patience
00:24:00 Timelessness and Culture
00:30:00 Advice for Travelers

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24 min
April 16Forget the Algorithm. Here's How to Actually Eat Well When You Travel.
Jennifer Hope Choi plans every trip the same way: open a Google doc, start with food, and build outward from there. As a former Bon Appétit editor, 13-year restaurant industry veteran, and author of a travel memoir, she has strong opinions about Michelin guides (skip ‘em), low-rated restaurants (sometimes worth it), and why you should always follow your optician's food recs.
She also edited Afar’s debut Travel to Eat series, which includes three stories: Jeju black pork and a life-changing soup, Sherpa cuisine in the Rockies, and why Portland, Maine, might be America’s best bakery town.
Meet today's guest
Jennifer Hope Choi is a senior editor at Afar and the architect of its Travel to Eat series. A former Bon Appétit editor and 13-year restaurant industry veteran, she is also an award-winning writer and author of the travel memoir the Wanderer’s Curse. Her work spans food and culture, and the messy, joyful overlap between the two.
In this episode
How Jen’s latchkey childhood, early Food Network shows, and her Korean grandmother’s pancakes shaped a lifelong obsession with eating

Why the Google doc comes first: Jen’s method for building food-forward itineraries from Reddit threads, local papers, and stranger recommendations

The case against Michelin stars, lines around the block, and treating a trip like a personality — and what to do instead

Inside the three stories of Afar’s Travel to Eat series: a transcendent bowl of Jeju black pork soup, Sherpa cuisine taking root in the Colorado Rockies, and the baking scene quietly transforming Portland, Maine

Jen’s #1 travel food tip: ask the shop clerk, not the algorithm
Links & resources
Read the Travel to eat series: ⁠America's best bakery town⁠, a life-changing pork soup, and the rise of Sherpa cuisine in the Colorado Rockies
Read Jen's memoir, The Wanderer’s Curse

Follow Jen on Instagram

Read MFK Fisher's The Art of Eating, Jen’s favorite food book
Chapters
00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:30 Growing Up Food-Obsessed
00:06:30 How to Eat Your Way Through a City
00:11:30 Lists, Stars, and Letting Go
00:21:30 The Travel to Eat Series
00:30:00 Tips for Eating Well on the Road

Be sure to subscribe to the show and sign up for our podcast newsletter, ⁠Behind the Mic⁠, where we share upcoming news and behind-the-scenes details of each episode. And explore our second podcast, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Travel Tales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, which celebrates first-person narratives about the way travel changes us, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠View From Afar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where we spotlight the people and ideas shaping the future of travel.
Unpacked by Afar is part of ⁠Airwave Media⁠'s podcast network. Please contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ if you would like to advertise on our podcast.

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44 min
April 14The Joyful Instrument That Became the Sound of Hawai'i
It started as an abandoned ukulele on a wall. Afar’s Aislyn Greene hadn’t touched it in two years — but that idle instrument sent her down a rabbit hole into one of the most joyful origin stories in music. The ukulele arrived in Hawai'i on a Portuguese immigrant ship in 1878, got a royal endorsement from a king and queen, fell into obscurity, and then took over the world. Along the way, a family of master craftsmen has been hand-finishing every instrument for over a century, and one of the greatest string players alive still can’t believe people underestimate it.
Meet today's guests
Roy Sakuma is a musician, educator, and founder of Roy Sakuma Ukulele Studios, Hawaii’s most famous ukulele school with four locations. In 1971, he launched the Ukulele Festival Hawai'i, now the state’s top summer event, and has spent 50 years making the case that the ukulele is no toy.
Chris Kamaka is the third-generation owner of Kamaka Ukulele, the oldest continuous ukulele manufacturer in the world, founded in Honolulu in 1916. Each of the 1,000–1,500 ukuleles they produce annually is hand-played by Chris before it leaves the shop.
Jake Shimabukuro is a virtuoso musician widely regarded as the greatest ukulele player alive. He has sold out concert halls worldwide and recently collaborated with Mick Fleetwood on a Blues album.
In this episode
How Portuguese immigrants and Hawaiian royalty together created — and named — the ukulele

Why Kamaka Hawai'i still air-dries koa wood for up to six years before touching it

How Roy Sakuma’s free Ukulele Festival in 1971 sparked a global revival from his backyard

Jake Shimabukuro on recording a tribute to Christine McVie with Mick Fleetwood — and why low expectations are a gift

What it’s actually like to take a ukulele lesson from Roy Sakuma (Aislyn finds out live on mic)
Resources
Listen to Afar's ukulele playlist

Sign up for lessons at Roy Sakuma Ukulele Studios

Explore the instruments at Kamaka Ukulele

Listen to the music of Jake Shimabukuro

Visit the Ukulele Festival Hawai'i
Chapters
00:00:00 The Ukulele's Origins
00:02:00 Hawaii's Royal Endorsement
00:03:30 Inside the Kamaka Workshop
00:06:00 Roy Sakuma and the Festival
00:09:30 Jake Shimabukuro's Journey
00:13:00 A Lesson With Roy

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20 min
April 09How Two Years of Phone-Free Travel Rewired the Way I See the World
What if the secret to a great trip was leaving your phone in airplane mode — forever? Journalist Lisa Abend has been doing exactly that, arriving in cities she's never researched, GPS turned off, without a hotel reservation or itinerary of any kind. The result isn't chaos; it's the kind of travel that actually surprises you. In this episode, Lisa makes a compelling case for leaving the phone out of the travel process.
Meet this week's guest
Lisa Abend is a Copenhagen-based journalist and former Time magazine correspondent who covers food, culture, and travel across Europe. She is the creator of The Unplugged Traveler, a Substack newsletter in which she visits a new European city each month without internet access, a booked hotel, or a plan, and writes about what she finds.
In this episode
How social media and over-researched itineraries have stripped travel of serendipity, and what Lisa is doing about it

The step-by-step logistics of arriving in a foreign city with no hotel, no map, and no plan — and why it's less stressful than it sounds

A birthday coincidence on a Cotswolds hiking trail that felt like the universe intervening

Why "second cities" — not capitals — are the ideal places to try unplugged travel for the first time

How nearly two dozen phone-free trips have changed the way Lisa navigates daily life
Chapters
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:00 Backpacking Before the Internet
00:04:30 What the Internet Took From Travel
00:09:30 The Unplugged Traveler Newsletter
00:13:00 How to Choose a Destination
00:15:30 Arriving With No Hotel Booked
00:20:00 A Cotswolds Birthday Surprise
00:27:00 Finding Food Without the Lists
00:32:00 Travel as Meditation
00:35:30 Tips for Going Unplugged

Resources
Subscribe to Lisa's ⁠The Unplugged Traveler newsletter on Substack⁠

Read Lisa's travel stories for Afar

Use ⁠Skyscanner — flight search tool Lisa uses to find cheap fares⁠

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46 min
April 02In the Age of AI, This Is What Only a Travel Advisor Can Do
You've got more booking tools than ever — so why would you hire a travel advisor? In this episode, Afar editorial director Billie Cohen sits down with travel journalist and matchmaker Wendy Perrin, founder of wendyperrin.com, to answer the questions travelers actually have: What can an advisor do that you can't do yourself? When does it make sense — and when doesn't it? How do you find a good one, interview them, and understand what you're paying for?
From crowd-skipping at Venice to landing the perfect Egyptologist, Wendy makes the case for what truly expert trip planning looks like.
In this episode
Why connections (not booking tools or AI) are the real currency of great travel

The difference between advisors who specialize in you vs. those who specialize in a place

How to interview a travel advisor (and what their answers reveal)

What travel actually costs — and why it often isn't itemized

Why multi-gen trips and post-pandemic travel are driving a new wave of advisor use
Chapters
00:00:00 Why Travel Advisors Still Matter
00:03:00 Advisors vs. Agents vs. Tour Operators
00:06:00 What a Great Advisor Can Do
00:13:00 Choosing and Interviewing an Advisor
00:24:00 Fees, Costs, and Transparency
00:28:00 Cruise Specialists and Misconceptions
00:33:00 Who's Using Advisors Now
Links & resources
Wendyperrin.com and Wendy's Wow List of top trip designers

Listen to our Unpacked episode about cruise travel advisors

Explore the Afar Travel Advisory Council

Follow Afar at @afarmedia on Instagram and TikTok

More travel planning resources at afar.com

Be sure to subscribe to the show and sign up for our podcast newsletter, ⁠Behind the Mic⁠, where we share upcoming news and behind-the-scenes details of each episode. And explore our second podcast, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Travel Tales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, which celebrates first-person narratives about the way travel changes us, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠View From Afar⁠⁠⁠⁠, where we spotlight the people and ideas shaping the future of travel.
Unpacked by Afar is part of ⁠Airwave Media⁠'s podcast network. Please contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ if you would like to advertise on our podcast.

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42 min
March 27An Architect's California: From LA's Secret Garden to the Magic of Joshua Tree
This is a very special episode of Unpacked by Afar. This week, we hosted Unpacked Live — a live version of the podcast — in partnership with Visit California in Dallas, Texas. The event celebrated California's extraordinary creative landscape, and today's guest has been shaping the way Californians live, work, and gather for three decades.
Barbara Bestor is the founder of Bestor Architecture, a Los Angeles studio she's led since 1995 — at a time when very few women were doing so. Her work spans coffee shops and corporate headquarters, wineries and community music centers, private homes and historic restorations. She's on the AD 100 list of top architects and designers and has been called one of the most influential architects working in LA today.
In this episode, she shares her process, her influences, and the places in California that never stop inspiring her — from a former cult compound in Joshua Tree to a secret rooftop garden at Walt Disney Concert Hall.
On this episode, you'll learn:
• What "informal formalism" means — and why it's the best description of California's design DNA
• How the LA fires, post-COVID remote work, and multi-generational households are reshaping what people want from their homes
• Why adaptive reuse is finally having its moment in California
• How to actually crack the code on Ojai and Big Sur (hint: find the vegan restaurant and ask your server)
Travel recommendations from Barbara:
Los Angeles
Take the stairs at LA Phil to the rooftop garden

Walk the Bradbury Building lobby (free; you'll recognize it from Blade Runner), then cross to Grand Central Market and ride Angel's Flight back up to MOCA.

For neighborhoods: Melrose Hill is the current place to be; Magnolia and Victory Blvd in the Valley are time-capsule California.
Northern California
Stay in the original Charles Moore–designed Condominium One at Sea Ranch

In the Bay Area, stay at the Julia Morgan–designed Berkeley City Club
Ojai & Big Sur
In Ojai, go to a vegan restaurant and ask your server where to go — that's how you find the hidden hot springs.

Hotel El Roblar (designed by Ramin Shamshiri) is the new splurge hotel in Ojai.

In Big Sur, Nepenthe is the move: a Wright-influenced 1950s restaurant with a giant patio and sweeping views.
Joshua Tree
Drive in from the top and exit at the low desert — two completely different biomes.

Stay at the Institute of Mentalphysics, where the rooms were designed by Lloyd Wright, the son of Frank Lloyd Wright

Catch a show at Pappy and Harriet's in Pioneertown, then detour to Palm Springs and take the Sunnylands tour for "peak high-sixties modernist golf living."
Chapters
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:00 From Cambridge to California
00:04:00 What Informal Formalism Means
00:06:00 Designing for How We Live Now
00:09:00 California's Architectural Legacy
00:16:00 LA Neighborhoods Worth Exploring
00:23:00 An Architecture Tour of California
00:34:00 Joshua Tree and the Desert
00:39:00 Where Barbara Goes to Recharge

Resources
Bestor Architecture
Explore the ⁠⁠Afar guide to California⁠

Watch the live recording of our Dallas event on YouTube.

Listen to our other Unpacked Live episodes featuring Roderick Wyllie and Obi Kaufmann.
Be sure to subscribe to the show and sign up for our podcast newsletter, ⁠Behind the Mic⁠, where we share upcoming news and behind-the-scenes details of each episode. And explore our second podcast, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Travel Tales⁠⁠⁠⁠, which celebrates first-person narratives about the way travel changes us, and ⁠⁠⁠View From Afar⁠⁠⁠, where we spotlight the people and ideas shaping the future of travel.
Unpacked by Afar is part of ⁠Airwave Media⁠'s podcast network. Please contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠ if you would like to advertise on our podcast.

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47 min
March 27The Naturalist Who's Been Decoding—and Painting—California's Wild Spaces for 30 Years
This is a very special episode of Unpacked by Afar. This week, we hosted Unpacked Live — a live version of the podcast — in partnership with Visit California in Dallas, Texas. The event celebrated California's extraordinary creative landscape, and today's guest is one of its most original voices.
Obi Kaufmann is a naturalist, writer, and illustrator whose California Field Atlas series has redefined what a nature book can be. His books — filled with hand-painted watercolor maps, poetry, and decades of ecological research — don't tell you where to go or what you're looking at. They ask why the landscape works the way it does, and what it means to truly belong to a place.
In this episode, Obi talks about growing up exploring Mount Diablo in Northern California, what makes a field atlas, and why he believes the future of California conservation depends on better poetry.
On this episode, you'll learn:
What a "field atlas" is — and why Obi had to invent the genre himself

How Indigenous stewardship and traditional ecological knowledge are reshaping conservation in California

Why Obi, one of California's great wilderness writers, is a proud city dweller in Oakland

What to expect from his next three books

Where to go right now to experience California's wildflower season at its peak
Travel Recommendations from Obi:
Anza-Borrego Desert State Park — Keep your eye on the California Native Plant Society or CalFlora for super bloom alerts; the window can be as short as a week

Death Valley National Park — Another prime super bloom destination; timing is everything

Big Sur — Highway 1 is open again; Obi recommends climbing a mountain and watching for California condors, which have rebounded from just 17 individuals in 1987 to over 500 today

Pinnacles National Park — The smallest and least visited national park in California, with condor sightings along the High Peaks Trail; Obi calls it "a beautiful gem of wilderness"

Mount Diablo — Obi's home mountain, 25 miles east of San Francisco; a lifelong study in ecological wonder
Chapters
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:00 Growing Up on Mount Diablo
00:05:00 Inventing the Field Atlas
00:10:00 Conservation and the Word "Wilderness"
00:30:00 Living as an Urban Naturalist
00:37:00 What's Next: Books 7 Through 10
00:41:00 Where to Experience California Now

Resources
Obi Kaufmann's website and books

Explore the Afar guide to California

Watch the live recording of our Dallas event on YouTube

Listen to our other Unpacked Live episodes featuring architect Barbara Bestor and landscape designer Roderick Wyllie
Be sure to subscribe to the show and sign up for our podcast newsletter, ⁠Behind the Mic⁠, where we share upcoming news and behind-the-scenes details of each episode. And explore our second podcast, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Travel Tales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, which celebrates first-person narratives about the way travel changes us, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠View From Afar⁠⁠⁠⁠, where we spotlight the people and ideas shaping the future of travel.
Unpacked by Afar is part of ⁠Airwave Media⁠'s podcast network. Please contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ if you would like to advertise on our podcast.

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52 min
March 27He's Been Designing California's Outdoors for Decades. Here's What He's Learned.
This is a very special episode of Unpacked by Afar. This week, we hosted Unpacked Live — a live version of the podcast — in partnership with Visit California in Dallas, Texas. The event celebrated California's extraordinary creative landscape, and today's guest has literally shaped the ground beneath many Californian's feet.
Roderick Wyllie is an award-winning landscape architect and founding partner of Surfacedesign Inc. A rare San Francisco native, he's helped design some of the Bay Area's most beloved public spaces, including the Lands End Visitor Center above Sutro Baths, a plaza at the Golden Gate Bridge, and Mission Bayfront Park. He also teaches at the Harvard Graduate School of Design.
In this episode, Roderick talks about growing up in 1970s San Francisco, what it means to design with rather than against a place, and why he thinks California's greatest creative export might be optimism.
On this episode, you'll learn:
What it was like to grow up in San Francisco in the 1970s and 80s — and how that "wild frontier" shaped Roderick's creative practice
Why Surfacedesign approaches every project like a crime scene investigation, searching for the story embedded in the land
How Roderick thinks about water — both as a design tool and as a precious resource in a drought-prone state
What he's learning from a current winery rethink at the iconic Robert Mondavi Winery in Napa
Where he sends travelers who want to experience California through the lens of landscape and design
Travel Recommendations from Roderick:
Wineries & Gardens
Faust, Napa Valley — A Victorian estate with planting designed to move from light to dark, inspired by the mythology of Faust; beautiful valley views
Buena Vista Winery, Sonoma — One of California's most historically significant wine sites, beautifully sited with two landmark historic buildings
Scribe, Sonoma — A more informal, less precious winery experience; Roderick especially admires the landscape work by Terramoto
Ruth Bancroft Garden, Walnut Creek — A masterwork dry garden celebrating the succulent landscape; Roderick calls it "spectacular"
Lotusland, Montecito — A fantasy of a California landscape with a larger-than-life history; the opera singer founder married nine times
The Huntington, San Marino/Pasadena — Impeccably maintained, a spectacular garden destination
Parks & Natural Spaces
Golden Gate Park, San Francisco — "It always feels a little bigger than I think it's going to be"
Point Reyes / Inverness — Roderick's favorite stretch of coast, particularly for seeing tule elk in the fog
Blunk Space gallery, Point Reyes Station — A small gallery connected to the legacy of California sculptor JB Blunk
Restaurants & Markets
Valley Bar + Bottle, Sonoma — Informal, locally sourced, creative; Roderick's top pick
Zuni Café, San Francisco — A California cuisine institution on Market Street; intimate despite its size
Ferry Building Farmers Market, San Francisco — "Incredible to see these purveyors that are focused on peppers only or something like that"
Modern Appealing Clothing (MAC), Hayes Valley — A quietly iconic SF clothing store recently named one of the 50 best in the US by the New York Times; Roderick designed a small interior garden inside the space
Art & Culture
Minnesota Street Project, Dogpatch — A collection of galleries with constantly rotating programming
Bay Area Discovery Museum, Sausalito — Roderick and his team designed eucalyptus-inspired play structures; worth a visit even without kids
Chapters
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:00 Growing Up in San Francisco
00:05:00 How Surfacedesign Works
00:08:00 Iconic Bay Area Projects
00:14:00 Water as Design and Resource
00:20:00 Designing Winery Landscapes
00:27:00 The California Creative Mindset
00:35:00 Where to Go in California

Resources
Surfacedesign Inc. — Roderick's firm

Explore the ⁠Afar guide to California

Watch the live recording of our Dallas event on YouTube

Listen to our other Unpacked Live episodes featuring naturalist Obi Kaufmann and architect Barbara Bestor
Be sure to subscribe to the show and sign up for our podcast newsletter, ⁠Behind the Mic⁠, where we share upcoming news and behind-the-scenes details of each episode. And explore our second podcast, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Travel Tales⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, which celebrates first-person narratives about the way travel changes us, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠View From Afar⁠⁠⁠⁠, where we spotlight the people and ideas shaping the future of travel.
Unpacked by Afar is part of ⁠Airwave Media⁠'s podcast network. Please contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ if you would like to advertise on our podcast.

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48 min
March 19Drama, Geopolitics, and Glory: Inside the World Cup
Show Notes
The World Cup is more than a soccer tournament — it's a mirror for geopolitics, national identity, and the power of global fandom. In this episode of Unpacked, host Aislyn Greene sits down with British journalist Jonathan Wilson, author of The Power and the Glory: The History of the World Cup, to explore the drama, corruption, and beauty that have defined the tournament across a century.
In this episode, you'll learn:
How hosting the World Cup has evolved from a nation-building tool to its current complex state — and who benefits now.

What the expansion from 32 to 48 teams really means for the quality and spectacle of the game.

Which teams Jonathan is watching in 2026, and the dark-horse picks you might not have on your radar.
Chapters
00:00:00 Welcome to the World Cup Edition

00:01:30 Jonathan's Soccer Origin Story

00:07:30 Soccer, Politics, and Power

00:11:00 Who Actually Benefits From Hosting

00:21:30 The 2026 Expansion to 48 Teams

00:31:30 Teams to Watch in 2026

00:35:30 Stadiums With Stories
Meet this week's guest:
Jonathan Wilson, British sports journalist and author of The Power and the Glory: The History of the World Cup
Resources:
Explore Jonathan Wilson's books and writing on his website.

Read The Power and the Glory: The History of the World Cup for the full sweep of FIFA history and drama.
Be sure to subscribe to the show and sign up for our podcast newsletter, ⁠Behind the Mic⁠, where we share upcoming news and behind-the-scenes details of each episode. And explore our second podcast, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Travel Tales⁠⁠⁠⁠, which celebrates first-person narratives about the way travel changes us, and ⁠⁠⁠View From Afar⁠⁠⁠, where we spotlight the people and ideas shaping the future of travel.
Unpacked by Afar is part of ⁠Airwave Media⁠'s podcast network. Please contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠ if you would like to advertise on our podcast.

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45 min
March 17This Theater Was a Refuge for Queer Americans. Now It's Been Reborn.
She’s 104 years old, newly renovated, and she’s ready for her close-up.
On this episode of Unpacked: America 250, host Aislyn Greene talks about the newly renovated ⁠Castro Theatre⁠ in San Francisco, a $41 million transformation of one of America’s most beloved LGBTQ+ landmarks.
Aislyn sits down with Mary Conde, SVP at ⁠Another Planet Entertainment⁠, the independent concert promoter behind the renovation, to explore what it took to bring this icon back to life, and why this was always about more than a building.

In this episode, you'll learn
The history behind the Castro Theatre, from a Lebanese immigrant’s grocery store to a 1,400-seat icon.

How the Castro became the heartbeat of San Francisco’s LGBTQ+ community.

What a $41 million renovation actually looks like, from a peach-glazed ceiling to a color-changing chandelier.

The story of the organs (yes, plural) that have defined the Castro’s sound for decades.

Why Another Planet Entertainment sees this as a gift to San Francisco, not just a business investment.

Chapters
00:00:00 The Castro's Comeback
00:00:59 Castro Theatre
00:02:00 From Grocery Store to Icon
00:05:30 A Safe Harbor for a Community
00:09:00 Inside the Renovation
00:13:00 The Organ's New Life
00:15:30 What's Coming Next
Meet this week’s guest
Mary Conde, Senior Vice President at Another Planet Entertainment and a lifelong San Franciscan who has shaped the city’s music scene for decades. Another Planet is the independent concert promoter behind Outside Lands and the recent mayoral inauguration party, and the company that took on the Castro’s renovation.
Resources
Read the transcript of this episode.

Explore the history of the ⁠Castro Theater⁠.

Buy tickets for upcoming ⁠Castro events⁠.

Read about the ⁠Frameline LGBTQ+ Film Festival⁠.

Be sure to subscribe to the show and sign up for our podcast newsletter, ⁠Behind the Mic⁠, where we share upcoming news and behind-the-scenes details of each episode. And explore our second podcast, ⁠⁠⁠Travel Tales⁠⁠⁠, which celebrates first-person narratives about the way travel changes us, and ⁠⁠View From Afar⁠⁠, where we spotlight the people and ideas shaping the future of travel.
Unpacked by Afar is part of ⁠Airwave Media⁠'s podcast network. Please contact ⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠ if you would like to advertise on our podcast.

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23 min

About Unpacked by Afar | Travel Smarter, More Responsibly

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Unpacked by Afar is your weekly guide to where to go, how to travel, and everything worth unpacking in between. Each week, host Aislyn Greene and the Afar team travel the world and dig into the big…