Donald Trump says China, Russia and Pakistan are "testing nuclear weapons". And that is why he's told the Pentagon to immediately prepare to test the US's nuclear weapons. In this episode, host Dev Goswami and national security expert Sandeep Unnithan unpack what counts as a nuclear test in 2025, who's actually doing what at their test sites, and what a US return to explosive testing would mean for India, the CTBT, and global stability.

The two cover:

- Why does Trump want to carry out nuclear testing? Are Russia, China, and Pakistan really carrying out secret nuclear tests?

- Cold tests vs hot tests: Why the world doesn't really need 'explosive' nuclear tests anymore?

- Why India feels satisfied with its comparatively lower number of nuclear tests vis a vis the rest of the world?

- Should India take a re-look at its nuclear doctrine that vows no first use?

- What global treaties on nuclear testing really achieved?

- And finally, what happens if the US actually carries out a nuclear test?

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Produced by Taniya Dutta

Sound mixed by Suraj Singh