From intelligence services to border control to the military and everything in between, Canada has designed its national security infrastructure to work in concert with the United States, not in opposition to it. It's now clear this could be a really big problem. This episode is about how Canada can stand on its own two feet and plan to protect ourselves.

First, Jordan and Laura examine just how many Americans now see Canada as "unfriendly" or an "enemy". Then (4:00) Stephanie Carvin, a national security expert, former government analyst and the author of Stand on Guard, walks us through how entwined our two countries are, what that means to Canada if the US truly does become a threat, or (14:33) if this will all go away tomorrow. We also (25:21) discuss what role Canadians can play and (28:55) the unthinkable conversations she's been having with people in her field.

Also (20:00)...do we need our own secret agents? We should have some, right?

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