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Cover art - The Scream, fingerprint ink on police print card done in thumb print, 2" x 1-1/4", 2004 copyright Charles Vincent Sabba

The following are links for Charles Sabba's artwork, blog and articles with La Voce di New York.

Show Notes

0:00 Sabba’s great-grandfather

3:45 retired police captain

4:15 duCret School of Art in Plainfield, NJ

4:50 1986 - Austrialian Cultural Terrorists stole Weeping Woman by Picasso

6:20 NYPD Art Theft Investigator 

3:40 US Navy 

7:30 Naples, Italy

8:35 federal corrections’ witness protection unit

11:20 School of Visual Arts 

11:40 Betty Thompkins

11:44 Andrew Gensel

11:45 Anton van Dalen and his show at the PPOW Gallery 

12:25 Fred DePalma

13:00 influence of his police work on his art

14:30 documentary Defending the Peninsula

18:00 the era of power and money over cultural patrimony

18:40 Napoleon’s looting of Italy 

20:30 Monuments Men

21:55 1800s Papal Edict governing exportation of works from Italy 

22:30 1947 article 9 of Italy’s Constitution 

23:50 collection of Gardner Museum 

24:35 Vermeer’s The Concert purchased by Gardner

26:00 Getty Trust - fight over Euphronios Krater with the Met

27:45 Manhattan DA’s office April 2022 seizure

28:30 Lysippos di Fano Bronze

34:30 agreement to table discussion about return of Lysippos pending Italian court ruling

36:45 assertion that the Lysippos is Greek not Italian

39:30 status of request for return of Lysippos

39:50 History Channel television series Histories Greatest Heists with Pierce Brosnan

41:00 paint chips sent to Boston Herald related to Gardner Heist

44:00 1997 - William Youngworth negotiated with Gardner Museum for return of stolen works via prosecutors

45:45 Chicago-based Expert Walter McCrone determined paint chips were from Rembrandt.

48:35 1998 - Vermeer expert 

49:10 2003 - Dr. Hubert von Sonnenburg, Chairman of Paintings Conservation at The Met, found chips were consistent with the Vermeer

50:00 Dr. Jennifer Mass’ opinion about the Sonnenberg’s opinion on the paint chips 

52:30 Sabba’s painting practice reflects his interest in art crime - fingerprint paintings

53:50 Sabba’s portraits of individuals involved in art crime 

55:25 Art critic Jerry Saltz

56:30 Y Gallery

58:15 artists that speak to social issues, e.g., prison reform

1:01:25 Sophie Calle: Last Seen

1:02:05 climate activists’ attacks on soft targets

1:06:40 Justice defined

1:09:20 Legacy

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Cover art: excerpt from Consequence, oil on panel, Stephanie Drawdy, copyright 2022.

The following are the featured episode excerpts from Warfare of Art and Law:

Episode 34: Professor Ziva Amishai-Maisels

Episode 48: Columbia Law School's Inaugural Artist-In-Residence Bayeté Ross Smith

Episode 102: Retired Police Captain and Artist Charles Vincent Sabba, Jr.

Episode upcoming: Dr. Christoph Kreutzmüller from the #lastseen project

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To learn more, please visit the website for Dr. Suzanne Evans.

Show Notes:

0:00 Suzanne Evans’ hope for the legacy she is creating to tell and compel more women’s stories

1:35 Evans’ degree in philopshy lead to teaching English in China

2:30 Evans’ writing themes are women in Canada and women in war and religion

2:40 Canadian International Development Agency to organize educational briefings for Canadians going to work overseas

4:00 PhD in religious studies

4:40 martyrdom

5:20 Palestinian mother/martyr

6:00 Mothers of Heroes, Mothers of Martyrs: WWI and the Politics of Grief

7:00 Silver Cross mother and its development 

8:00 how soldiers of war were presented in the media 

8:20 post-doctoral fellowship at the Canadian War Museum to study stories of Canadian women and war

9:40 diary of WWI masseuse 

10:00 study of physio-therapist in WWI and WWII

11:40 occupational therapy, including basketweaving, for wounded WWI veterans

12:30 Changi quilts made in Singapore’s Changi jail overtaken by Japanese

13:15 Ethel Mulvany’s Starving Prisoners of War Cookbook

14:45 research for The Taste of Longing: Ethel Mulvany and Her Starving Prisoners of War Cookbook

22:20  couple housed by Mulvany 

24:15 Museum on Manitoulin Island 

27:45 Mulvany’s suffering from bipolar disorder

28:45 how women’s stories from the war have been downgraded

32:00 recommended reading: Freddy Bloom’s Dear Philip: A Diary of Captivity, Changi, 1942-45

32:35 Mary Thomas’ In the Shadow of the Rising Sun

32:35 P.C. B. Newington’s Good Food

33:45 record-keeping from the WWII era

36:00 treatment of Mulvany for her mental illness 

37:00 electric shock therapy without sedatives

37:20 insulin therapy treatment in India

38:15 War Claims Commission’s medical records for Mulvany

40:00 virtual feasts for book launch during pandemic

43:15 use of propaganda in WWI and WWII

45:40 upcoming cookbook project 

46:10 Five Roses Enriched Floor Cookbook 

49:00 Evans’ definition of justice 

50:00 Walter Allward's statue of justice

52:45 Per Allward: "Through truth and justice, war might cease and peace would descend over the earth."

53:20 Persons case in 1928 - Canada’s Supreme Court denied women could be deemed “persons”; overturned by Judicial Privy Counsel 

54:25 “justice is shifting in our time…I don’t want my justice to be blindfolded; I want her to be far sighted so that she can see change and adapt.”

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Cover photo of Rick Allen - copyright Cindy Burnham, Lucky Shot Productions

To learn more, please visit Escapist Magazine's coverage about the copyright suit surrounding Queen Anne's Revenge and the U.S. Supreme Court's March 2020 decision in Allen, et al. v. Cooper, Governor of North Carolina, et al.

Show Notes:

September 2022 2ND Saturday Discussion:

1:04 Background of  Blackbeard and Queen Anne’s Revenge

4:00 Intersal handed shipwreck over to NC; kept media rights, replica rights

4:45 Allen’s shooting underwater footage to document recovery of shipwreck

5:50 Allen agreed to license his footage and give Intersal 25% gross profits from that

6:25 2013 - changes with new NC administration - NC had been using footage commercially

7:25 NC hired other production companies in violation of Intersal’s media rights

7:45 Intersal filed complaint in NC’s Office of Administrative Hearings 

7:55 Allen revoked NC’s rights to use Allen’s footage

8:00 Oct 2013 settlement w/ NC, Intersal and Allen

9:10 NC violations of settlement

935 2015 Blackbeard’s Law 

10:15 Dec 2015 - Allen's suit against NC 

10:45 Copyright Remedy Clarification Act

12:10 9-0 ruling by SCOTUS that CRCA was unconstitutional

13:50  Motion for Reconsideration

14:25 takings clause argument 

15:25 NC appealed district court’s grant of MFR to the 4th Circuit

16:00 summary of timeline

18:00 Jan Felman’s question 

20:20 Indiana suit sited Allen v. Cooper 

20:50 Michael Bynum’s suit against Texas A&M over copyright infringement

23:35 Andrew Smith’s question 

25:15 pattern by the state required - 16 cases cited by Allen of states violating copyrights

26:00 US copyright office verified 160 cases initiated against states for copyright violations

28:10 Emily Gould’s question 

31:30 Summary of points from Q&A

32:45 financial impact of a museum created for shipwreck on the NC community

36:20 Andrew Smith’s FU questions 

38:30 Gina McKlveen’s question 

43:23 Enid Lutswana’s question 

47:00 Update on Allen v. Cooper

47:51 January 2023 stay lifted; denied NC’s petition requesting court to reconsider granting motion for reconsideration; and granted request to file amended complaint 

49:00 NC’s Blackbeard Law alleged to be bill of attainder

51:00 Texas A&M case 

51:45 libraries to be charged fees by book publishers

52:25 Jim Olive lost sui

52:10 Indiana case 

54:15 TX Supreme Court in Olive 

55:30 Allen’s view of the precedent he’s creating

58:25 NC’s failure to reach out to settle suit

59:45 whether Allen’s view of justice has been jaded

01:01:30 chilling effect from NC’s position

01:03:50 definition of justice 

01:06:00  legacy

01:08:00  legal team

01:11:00 status of shipwreck 

01:11:30 Intersal’s suit 

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"Exposed" musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023.

Cover art: excerpt from Consequence, oil on panel, Stephanie Drawdy, copyright 2022.

The following are the featured episode excerpts from Warfare of Art and Law:

Episode 38: Glance at Culture - Defiant Requiem: Maestro Murry Sidlin on Terezín Concentration Camp, Verdi's Requiem, the Arts & Social Justice

Episode 27: Nazi Plundered Art: Nathan Diament On the Legacy of Artist J.D. Kirszenbaum (1900-1954)

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Cover Photograph: Mr. Sparks: A Quest for Truth & Reconciliation, Copyright Nnebundo Obi 2022.

Nnebundo Obi's presentation is available here. To learn more about Nagel Institute's Engaging African Realities project, please visit the following link.

Show Notes:
0:00 South African revolutionary Robert Sobukwe

3:20 Nagel Institute Research Associate - Engaging African Realities Project 

Presentation from annual conference in Capetown 

4:05 Slide 2 - former S. African President Nelson Mandela’s cell at Robben Island

4:20 history of Robben Island, see slide 2

5:30 escapee from Robben Island David Stuurman

6:10 First female political prisoner on Robben Island, Krotoa or Eva 

7:10 1961, Robben Island used as prison for non-white political activists exclusively 

8:30 one letter and one visit per year for inmates at Robben Island

9:25 Hard labour in the limestone quarry

10:00 tour of Robben Island per Mr. Sparks, former inmate and current tour guide at Robben Island -  slide 4

12:40 Puzamandla: The “energy giving drink”, a hidden poison

14:00 Mr. Sparks gives testimony about his suffering at Robben Island to free himself

14:50 Kirstenbosch National Botanical Garden - see slide 5

15:00 Lion’s Head, Tabletop Mountain Range - see slide 6

15:30 1800s creation of Van Riebeeck’s Hedge to mark Dutch property, shown at slide 6

16:10 Boulder’s Penguin Colony

16:25 history of apartheid - see slide 8

17:20 - 1979 “total strategy” 12 point plan to crush opposition to apartheid

18:20 1996 Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) established by Nelson Mandela

18:45 hearings for restorative justice

19:20 1977 founding of MEDU Art Ensemble 

20:30 female anti-pass protestors - see slide 10

22:30 1956 women’s march - see slide 11

23:00 Judy Sideman, member of MEDU Art Ensemble from 1980—1985  - see slide 11

24:20 MEDU Art Ensemble history - see slide 12

27:00 MEDU Art Ensemble posters - see slides 9, 12, 13

29:00 MEDU Art Ensemble targeted by the South African defense force

30:15 the power of testimony and collaboration and importance of mobilizing and gathering strength from community

30:45 University of Capetown

31:00 - 2015 ‘RHODES MUST FALL’ movement to remove the statue of British Imperialist Cecil Rhodes at the University of Cape Town - see slide 14

34:20 impact of removing statues like those of Cecil Rhodes 

38:00 impact of MEDU Art Ensemble on end of apartheid

39:00 Terrorism Act 

39:45 MEDU's community outreach 

41:45 Cohesion and single-minded vision of MEDU 

42:30 Nnebundo’s way of engaging with social justice issues

44:20 definition of justice

49:00 Netflix docu-series How To Become a Tyrant 

51:00 Jan Felman’s comments

51:40 Stefania Salles-Bruins’ comments 

53:25 Jarnick Vitters’ comments 

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Please visit the following to view the Benin Bronzes and to learn more about the Restitution Study Group.

Show Notes:

00:00 manillas used to trade for slaves as documented by Alan Ryder in Benin and the Europeans

02:50 mission and work of Restitution Study Group to fight for slavery justice

03:20 RSG’s focus on corporations, private estates and governments that were complicit in slavery

03:45 RSG’s suits against insurance companies for slavery policies

06:00 RSG’s suits against banks like J.P. Morgan Chase

0:630 RSG’s suits included consumer fraud and human rights arguments

07:30 DNA testing used by RSG 

08:30 DNA results and TransAtlantic Slave Trade Database used to trace ancestry

08:50 RSG’s action filed for genocide compensation efforts

09:35 the Proxmire Act, Genocide Convention Implementation Act of 1987

12:30 RSG’s suit against the Smithsonian Institution over the Benin Bronzes

14:40 1896 massacre of British soldiers 

15:30 Kingdom of Benin’s practice of sacrifice 

16:15 RSG’s demand for a share of the Benin Bronzes

17:20 RSG’s meeting with Kingdom of Benin’s princess 

19:20 Charleston, SC

19:30 Jamaica

21:00 The Benin Monarchy: An Anthology by Oba Ewuare II Foundation (2018) 

21:55 Paula Girshik

22:25 Harz Mountains

23:50 Smithsonian Institution’s National Museum of African Art's Ngaire Blankenberg  "confusion" on Kingdom of Benin's involvement in  slave trade 

24:45 per Dr. Paul Lovejoy, manillas were used in  slave traded and to make Benin Bronzes for 300 years

26:00 RSG’s allegations that Smithsonian is violating US law that requires consideration for transfer of the Bronzes outside the Smithsonian

28:00 Board of Regents vote on transfer of Benin Bronzes

30:30 11 October 2022 - Smithsonian’s scheduled transfer of Benin Bronzes 

31:30 Lack of media attention on this issue

31:50 Short film They Belong to All of Us

34:00 RSG’s suit against the Smithsonian is a restitution case

34:45 RSG’s efforts with institutions other than the Smithsonian

36:50 bronzes taken according to the laws of war

39:45 forensic research 

41:50 16th-19th Century Bronzes

42:15 Dan Hicks’ book The Brutish Museum

43:50 removing labels from the Bronzes

44:50 Oba Head gifted by Nigerian leader 

48:30 Benin City - hub of human trafficking 

51:20 African scholar Dr. Ibrahima Seck 

52:00 missing slave trade documentation for two main slave ports

54:00 one on one approach with American institutions

57:00 Petition submitted to UK’s Charities Commission

1:02:00 Smithsonian’s current holdings of Bronzes

1:04:00 RSG’s emergency motion

1:05:20 number of Bronzes in the U.S.

1:09:00 dual citizenship

1:11:00 Nigeria’s request for reparations 

1:11:50 definition of justice

1:14:00 opportunity for Nigeria to speak up

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"Prejudice" features episode excerpts from Warfare of Art and Law in the following order:

Episode 75: David de Jong on his book Nazi Billionaires and his call for Historical Transparency from Families that control brands like BMW, Porsche, Volkswagen, Dr. Oetker, Bahlsen, Allianz and Munich Re

Episode 34: Glance at Culture - The Holocaust in Modern Art: Professor Ziva Amishai-Maisels on Artists Picasso, Chagall, Rothko, Bacon and more

Episode 71: Dr. Joanna Sliwa On Holocaust Distortion, Poland's ‘Politics of Memory’, Jewish Childhood in Kraków, an Undercover Jewess Who Negotiated with the Nazis, and a Legacy to Inspire Future Scholars of All Genocide

Episode 85: Glance at Culture - Ella Nowicki on Incarceration, Art and Defining Justice in Terms of Accountability

Episode 49: Glance at Culture - A Conversation with Art Historian and Author Dr. Laura Morelli on Historical Justice and Historical Fiction

Episode 83: ASU Art Museum Director Miki Garcia On Art's Power to Address Inherited Notions About Mass Incarceration, the Undoing Time Exhibition, and Justice As Public Love 

Episode 62: Glance at Culture - Ukrainian-American Artist Mira Hnatyshyn on Ukrainian History & Heritage, Art as Protest and Creating a Community of Empathy

Episode 17: Mosse Art Restitution Project: Director of Investigations J. Eric Bartko On the Washington Principles and Restitution Efforts In Poland, Israel, Russia and the Netherlands

Episode 92: Glance at Culture - Journalist and Author Peter Kupfer on his book "The Glassmaker's Son"

Episode 11: Max Stern Art Restitution Project: Dr. Willi Korte On Restitution of Nazi-Looted Art, Sales Under Duress, and the German Advisory Commission

Episode 73: Glance at Culture - Author Menachem Kaiser on His Book Plunder, His Research and Property Claim in Poland, the Vilna Ghetto and the Frustrating Design of Judicial Systems 

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Please visit  Fritz Ascher Society's website and YouTube channel to learn more.

Show Notes:
2:00 mission of The Fritz Ascher Society for Persecuted, Ostracized and Banned Art

3:45 Fritz Ascher’s life and work

8:30 open composition of Ascher’s 1968 Trees in Hilly Landscape compared with blocked tree compositions circa 1940 

11:15 recent discovery of portraits by Ascher

14:40 art historic term ‘inner emigration’

15:45 Ascher’s poetry as ‘unpainted paintings’

17:50 Artist Jeanne Mammen

19:35 Artists Lea and Hans Grundig

23:00 Art For No One exhibition in Frankfurt, Germany

26:40 creation of Fritz Ascher Society to highlight unknown artists 

29:30 Identity, Art and Migration online exhibition 

34:15 Felix Nussbaum’s work and Felix Nussbaum Haus in Osnabrück, Germany

35:15 founding director of Felix Nussbaum Haus Inge Jaehner

35:40 curator of Felix Nussbaum Haus Anne Schwetter 

36:30 Nussbaum’s wife, Felka Platek

38:00 post-war focus communist control and Cold War

38:40 her work to create historical justice for these artists and educating about these artists in order to put them into their context

39:40 justice through telling stories of minorities 

40:40 legacy 

41:20 power of art to initiate discussion and to help create a better world 

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To learn more, please visit the websites for M.C. Sungaila, the Portia Project podcast, and Mother's Thoughts For the Day.

Show Notes:
3:00 Overview of M.C. Sungaila’s work

5:00 US v. Lanier, 520 U.S. 259 (1997)

9:00 González et al. (“Cotton Field”) v. Mexico in the Interamerican Court of Human Rights

11:30 factors considered in drafting appellate briefs 

14:30 her work on Holocaust art recovery cases began with Randy Schoenberg in Republic of Austria v. Altmann 

16:00 procedural hurdles for heirs in Holocaust art recovery cases

18:00 Zuckerman cert petition raised questions about the meaning of the HEAR Act and how state equitable doctrines should interplay with the HEAR Act

20:00 potential issues surrounding drafting of HEAR Act

21:30 developing issue of how forced sales fit into Holocaust art recovery 

22:40 Cassirer v. Kingdom of Spain, et al

25:30 Federal Republic of Germany, et al v. Philipp aka the Guelph Treasure case

30:25 Andy Warhol Foundation v. Goldsmith

39:20 need for procedural and substantive fairness in U.S. Legal system

41:40 mission of the Portia Project Podcast

49:40 Portia Project documentary 

54:00 Girls Inc episode of the Portia Project

56:00 Sungaila’s mother as one of her role models

57:40 Judge Dorothy Nelson and Judge Ferdinand Fernandez of the 9th Circuit

57:50 Judge Alicemarie Stotler, Chief Judge of the Central District of California 

58:45 Sungaila’s publishing of Mother’s Thoughts For the Day

1:02:00 Mother’s Thoughts For the Day self-guided journal and merchandise 

1:04:40 how Sungaila’s book publishing led to the Portia Project 

1:07:00 advice for mind-management and time-management 

1:10:50 what justice looks like or should look like to Sungaila

1:13:35 the theme of her work is the importance and power of the individual 

1:14:50 three of Sungaila’s favorite quotes from her mother that relate to making your own mark and persisting 

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