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Wayne Jacobsen - author of The Shack - was a successful pastor. But as his disillusionment with the institutional nature of church grew, he decided to walk away and begin to search for the church Jesus was building. 20 years later he says this was one of the best decisions he ever made.
“Structure is like our skeleton, any time you’re seeing your skeleton it’s not good. The skeleton supports the life. What happens in our institutions is the structure lives on once the life has gone.” - Wayne Jacobsen
Interview begins at 6m 4s.
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Wayne Jacobsen - author of The Shack - was a successful pastor. But as his disillusionment with the institutional nature of church grew, he decided to walk away and begin to search for the church Jesus was building. 20 years later he says this was one of the best decisions he ever made.
“Structure is like our skeleton, any time you’re seeing your skeleton it’s not good. The skeleton supports the life. What happens in our institutions is the structure lives on once the life has gone.” - Wayne Jacobsen
Interview begins at 6m 4s.
Books, quotes, links →
The creation of Nomad’s thoughtful, ad-free content is entirely funded by our equally thoughtful and wonderful listeners. By supporting us, you gain access to Nomad’s online spaces—like the Beloved Listener Lounge, Enneagram Lounge, and Book Club—as well as bonus episodes such as Nomad Contemplations, Therapeutic Reflections, and Nomad Revisited.
If you’d like to join our lovely community of supporters, head over to our Patreon page. You might even be rewarded with a Nomad pen or our coveted Beloved Listener mug!
If a monthly commitment isn’t possible right now, a one-off donation is always deeply appreciated—you can do that here.
Looking to connect with others nearby? Check out the Listener Map or join our Nomad Gathering Facebook group.
And if you're up for sharing your own story, we regularly post reflections from listeners on our blog—all with the hope of fostering deeper understanding, connection and supportive relationships. If you'd like to share your story on the blog, contact us for more information here.

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