Host Brian Stelter talks with Will Van Sant, a staff writer for The Trace, a nonpartisan newsroom covering guns, about whether the National Rifle Association can recover after the NRA corruption trial and the resignation of CEO Wayne LaPierre over lavish spending. They discuss the damning evidence against LaPierre, who he is as a calculating grifter and stoker of culture wars, and if the NRA and LaPierre's downfall ultimately even matters at this point when it comes to gun control measures.