Toni Collier and Jackie Hill Perry sit down to have a conversation about suffering, and what it’s like to heal while having hope & grit in the midst of pain. When you come to realize that you’re a sinner, there’s a hopelessness telling you that you aren’t good enough, giving you the tendency to turn to your idols for “fake” peace. We want our idols to soften the suffering. Because we don’t like pain.

Jackie talks about the difficulty of waiting on God to relieve our suffering because His timing is not the same as ours, and also not visible. But it’s when we go to God during our trials that we find authentic peace. 

Toni asks Jackie a question that we all want to know the answer to; What’s the difference between getting through something painful and getting over something painful?

Links:
Gay Girl, Good God by Jackie Hill Perry
Holier Than Thou by Jackie Hill Perry
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