In Don't @ Me (2:36), Tom expresses his concern that if we can't listen to one another and empathize without agreeing, then the divides in our society will further deepen. Then, Tom is joined by Nathan Wear (14:02) to discuss his book, "Making Grades Matter: Standards-Based Grading in a Secondary PLC at Work."  Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (52:13), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about whether it's "Gradeless" or "Grade Less."
<ul><li>Nathan on Twitter: <a href='https://twitter.com/Nathan_Wear'>@Nathan_Wear</a></li>
<li>MGM on Twitter: <a href='https://twitter.com/GradesMatterSBG'>@GradesMatterSBG</a></li>
</ul>
 
NEW BOOK BY TOM:
<ul><li><a href='https://www.solutiontree.com/concise-answers-to-frequently-asked-questions-about-assessment-and-grading.html'>"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading"</a></li>
</ul>
 
 
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
 
<ul><li>Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) 
<ul><li>Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
<ul><li><a href='https://www.solutiontree.com/grading-from-inside-out-long-beach.html'>Register Here</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul><li style="list-style-type:none;">
<ul><li>Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
<ul><li><a href='https://www.solutiontree.com/grading-from-inside-out-minneapolis.html'>Register Here</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
 
 
<ul><li>Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
<ul><li>Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
<ul><li><a href='https://tinyurl.com/2p92yshu'>Register Here</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
 
 
CONNECT WITH NATALIE VARDABASSO
<ul><li>Nat on Twitter: <a href='https://twitter.com/natabasso'>@natabasso</a></li>
<li>EduCrush on Twitter: <a href='https://twitter.com/educrushpod'>@educrushpod</a></li>
<li>EduCrush Podcast: <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/educrush/id1529486348'>#EduCrush on Apple</a></li>
</ul>
 
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
<ul><li>Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com</li>
<li>Twitter: <a href='https://twitter.com/TomSchimmerPod'>@TomSchimmerPod</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href='https://twitter.com/TomSchimmer'>@TomSchimmer</a></li>
<li>Instagram: <a href='https://www.instagram.com/tomschimmerpodcast/?hl=en'>@tomschimmerpodcast</a></li>
<li>TikTok: <a href='https://www.tiktok.com/@tomschimmerpodcast'>@tomschimmerpodcast</a></li>
<li>Facebook: <a href='https://www.facebook.com/SchimmerEducation/'>Schimmer Education</a></li>
<li>Website: <a href='https://tomschimmer.com/'>www.tomschimmer.com</a></li>
</ul>

In Don't @ Me (2:36), Tom expresses his concern that if we can't listen to one another and empathize without agreeing, then the divides in our society will further deepen. Then, Tom is joined by Nathan Wear (14:02) to discuss his book, "Making Grades Matter: Standards-Based Grading in a Secondary PLC at Work." Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom & Nat" (52:13), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about whether it's "Gradeless" or "Grade Less." Nathan on Twitter: @Nathan_Wear MGM on Twitter: @GradesMatterSBG NEW BOOK BY TOM: "Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment & Grading" UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop) Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022) Register Here Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022) Register Here Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22) Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022) Register Here CONNECT WITH NATALIE VARDABASSO Nat on Twitter: @natabasso EduCrush on Twitter: @educrushpod EduCrush Podcast: #EduCrush on Apple CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod Twitter: @TomSchimmer Instagram: @tomschimmerpodcast TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast Facebook: Schimmer Education Website: www.tomschimmer.com

In Don't @ Me (2:36), Tom expresses his concern that if we can't listen to one another and empathize without agreeing, then the divides in our society will further deepen. Then, Tom is joined by Nathan Wear (14:02) to discuss his book, "Making Grades Matter: Standards-Based Grading in a Secondary PLC at Work."&nbsp; Finally, in "Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat" (52:13), Tom and special guest Natalie Vardabasso talk about whether it's "Gradeless" or "Grade Less."
<ul><li>Nathan on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/Nathan_Wear" rel="noopener noreferrer">@Nathan_Wear</a></li>
<li>MGM on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/GradesMatterSBG" rel="noopener noreferrer">@GradesMatterSBG</a></li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
NEW BOOK BY TOM:
<ul><li><a href="https://www.solutiontree.com/concise-answers-to-frequently-asked-questions-about-assessment-and-grading.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">"Concise Answers to FAQs about Assessment &amp; Grading"</a></li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL LEARNING
&nbsp;
<ul><li>Grading from the Inside Out (2-Day Workshop)&nbsp;
<ul><li>Long Beach, CA (September 21-22, 2022)
<ul><li><a href="https://www.solutiontree.com/grading-from-inside-out-long-beach.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Register Here</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul><li>
<ul><li>Minneapolis, MN (December 1-2, 2022)
<ul><li><a href="https://www.solutiontree.com/grading-from-inside-out-minneapolis.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Register Here</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
<ul><li>Teach Better Conference (CODE: Schimmer22)
<ul><li>Akron, OH (October 14-15, 2022)
<ul><li><a href="https://tinyurl.com/2p92yshu" rel="noopener noreferrer">Register Here</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
CONNECT WITH NATALIE VARDABASSO
<ul><li>Nat on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/natabasso" rel="noopener noreferrer">@natabasso</a></li>
<li>EduCrush on Twitter:&nbsp;<a href="https://twitter.com/educrushpod" rel="noopener noreferrer">@educrushpod</a></li>
<li>EduCrush Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/educrush/id1529486348" rel="noopener noreferrer">#EduCrush on Apple</a></li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
CONNECT WITH TOM SCHIMMER
<ul><li>Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com</li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TomSchimmerPod" rel="noopener noreferrer">@TomSchimmerPod</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TomSchimmer" rel="noopener noreferrer">@TomSchimmer</a></li>
<li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tomschimmerpodcast/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer">@tomschimmerpodcast</a></li>
<li>TikTok:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@tomschimmerpodcast" rel="noopener noreferrer">@tomschimmerpodcast</a></li>
<li>Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/SchimmerEducation/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Schimmer Education</a></li>
<li>Website: <a href="https://tomschimmer.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">www.tomschimmer.com</a></li>
</ul>
&nbsp;

We Must Listen | Nathan Wear | Gradeless vs Grade Less

Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blends practical strategies with big-picture thinking, helping teachers and leaders translate research into action without losing sight of the human side of education.
Listeners can expect honest discussions, fresh perspectives, and plenty of take-home ideas. From reimagining final exams to exploring the role of assessment in equity and Universal Design for Learning, Assess THAT is for any educator ready to challenge the status quo and embrace assessment as a tool for growth—not just measurement.

About the Hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso are internationally recognized speakers, authors, and consultants who have spent their careers helping schools modernize assessment and grading practices. Together, they are the co-founders of the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC), a national professional learning hub created by Canadians, for Canadians to bring clarity, credibility, and care to assessment in classrooms across the country.
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Tom Schimmer is the author and co-author of multiple best-selling books, including Grading from the Inside Out and Standards-Based Learning in Action. With 35 years of experience as a teacher, leader, and consultant, Tom is known for his ability to translate big ideas into practical tools educators can use right away.
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Natalie Vardabasso is a leading voice in assessment and equity, recognized for her innovative approaches to standards-based learning, feedback, and student agency. As a speaker, writer, and coach, she has helped thousands of educators create assessment systems that are not only accurate but also deeply humanizing.
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Together, Tom and Natalie bring complementary perspectives, humour, and a deep commitment to making assessment meaningful. Their partnership in Assess THAT and at the Canadian Assessment Centre reflects a shared belief that when educators improve how they assess, they unlock the full potential of every learner.
Tom and Natalie are also the authors of Rehumanizing Assessment: Gathering Evidence of Learning Through Storytelling, a book that challenges traditional grading systems and shows how assessment can honour student voice and identity.

Why Listen? Whether you’re a classroom teacher, school leader, or policy maker, Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat will challenge your assumptions, equip you with actionable strategies, and inspire you to see assessment as the most powerful driver of student success.

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Assess THAT with Tom & Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blends practical strategies with big-picture thinking, helping teachers and leaders translate research into action without losing sight of the human side of education. Listeners can expect honest discussions, fresh perspectives, and plenty of take-home ideas. From reimagining final exams to exploring the role of assessment in equity and Universal Design for Learning, Assess THAT is for any educator ready to challenge the status quo and embrace assessment as a tool for growth—not just measurement. About the HostsTom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso are internationally recognized speakers, authors, and consultants who have spent their careers helping schools modernize assessment and grading practices. Together, they are the co-founders of the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC), a national professional learning hub created by Canadians, for Canadians to bring clarity, credibility, and care to assessment in classrooms across the country. Tom Schimmer is the author and co-author of multiple best-selling books, including Grading from the Inside Out and Standards-Based Learning in Action. With 35 years of experience as a teacher, leader, and consultant, Tom is known for his ability to translate big ideas into practical tools educators can use right away. Natalie Vardabasso is a leading voice in assessment and equity, recognized for her innovative approaches to standards-based learning, feedback, and student agency. As a speaker, writer, and coach, she has helped thousands of educators create assessment systems that are not only accurate but also deeply humanizing. Together, Tom and Natalie bring complementary perspectives, humour, and a deep commitment to making assessment meaningful. Their partnership in Assess THAT and at the Canadian Assessment Centre reflects a shared belief that when educators improve how they assess, they unlock the full potential of every learner. Tom and Natalie are also the authors of Rehumanizing Assessment: Gathering Evidence of Learning Through Storytelling, a book that challenges traditional grading systems and shows how assessment can honour student voice and identity. Why Listen?Whether you’re a classroom teacher, school leader, or policy maker, Assess THAT with Tom & Nat will challenge your assumptions, equip you with actionable strategies, and inspire you to see assessment as the most powerful driver of student success.

Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blends practical strategies with big-picture thinking, helping teachers and leaders translate research into action without losing sight of the human side of education.
Listeners can expect honest discussions, fresh perspectives, and plenty of take-home ideas. From reimagining final exams to exploring the role of assessment in equity and Universal Design for Learning, Assess THAT is for any educator ready to challenge the status quo and embrace assessment as a tool for growth—not just measurement.

About the Hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso are internationally recognized speakers, authors, and consultants who have spent their careers helping schools modernize assessment and grading practices. Together, they are the co-founders of the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC), a national professional learning hub created by Canadians, for Canadians to bring clarity, credibility, and care to assessment in classrooms across the country.
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<li>
Tom Schimmer is the author and co-author of multiple best-selling books, including Grading from the Inside Out and Standards-Based Learning in Action. With 35 years of experience as a teacher, leader, and consultant, Tom is known for his ability to translate big ideas into practical tools educators can use right away.
</li>
<li>
Natalie Vardabasso is a leading voice in assessment and equity, recognized for her innovative approaches to standards-based learning, feedback, and student agency. As a speaker, writer, and coach, she has helped thousands of educators create assessment systems that are not only accurate but also deeply humanizing.
</li>
</ul>
Together, Tom and Natalie bring complementary perspectives, humour, and a deep commitment to making assessment meaningful. Their partnership in Assess THAT and at the Canadian Assessment Centre reflects a shared belief that when educators improve how they assess, they unlock the full potential of every learner.
Tom and Natalie are also the authors of Rehumanizing Assessment: Gathering Evidence of Learning Through Storytelling, a book that challenges traditional grading systems and shows how assessment can honour student voice and identity.

Why Listen? Whether you’re a classroom teacher, school leader, or policy maker, Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat will challenge your assumptions, equip you with actionable strategies, and inspire you to see assessment as the most powerful driver of student success.

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