Chris and Andy talk about the news that ‘Barry’ will end after this coming season and what it means for HBO that both that show and ‘Succession’ are ending (1:00). Then they talk about Apple TV’s upcoming slate of very expensive TV shows and what the streaming service is trying to achieve (11:11), before they're joined by Matthew Rhys to talk about his work on the second season of ‘Perry Mason’ (42:37).

Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald

Guest: Matthew Rhys

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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