Peter Kafka talks with Tony Fadell, who helped bring the iPod and iPhone to life, and then built and sold Nest, the smart home company.

His new book is “Build: An Unorthodox Guide to Making Things Worth Making.” Fadell talks about how developing a product begins with creating its “story,” and why he fought so hard to include a $3 screwdriver in Nest thermostat boxes. He also touches on some high-profile failures, unintended consequences, and why he doesn’t want to dance in the metaverse.

Featuring: Tony Fadell (@tfadell), Tech Investor & Entrepreneur, author of "Build"

Host of Recode Media: Peter Kafka (@pkafka), Senior Editor at Recode

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