Elaine Kamarck, director of the Center for Effective Public Management and a Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, discusses what's next for Barack Obama and what role former presidents play in our civic life. She also offers some predictions about how Trump will deal with his presidency based off of her book, "Why Presidents Fail and How They Can Succeed Again." Also in this episode, Bradley Hardy, the Okun-Model Fellow in Economic Studies, discusses why he became a scholar and what he believes is the most pressing public policy issue today. Thanks to audio producer Gaston Reboredo and producer Vanessa Sauter, and also thanks for additional support from Eric Abalahin, Jessica Pavone, Nawal Atallah, Kelly Russo, and Rebecca Viser. Subscribe to Brookings podcasts here or on iTunes, send feedback email to [email protected], and follow us and tweet us at @policypodcasts on Twitter. BCP is part of the Brookings Podcast Network.