Donna A. Lopiano, adjunct lecturer in sports management at Southern Connecticut State University and president of Sports Management Resources consulting firm, and former Women's Athletic Director at the University of Texas at Austin, discusses her most recent title, co-authored with Gerald Gurney and Andrew Zimbalist, "Unwinding Madness: What Went Wrong with College Sports--and How to Fix It" (Brookings Institution Press, 2017) which looks at how college sports have undermined what college is supposed to do for students: educate them. Also in this podcast, Stephen Hess, senior fellow emeritus in Governance Studies, recounts travelling with vice-presidential candidate Spiro T. Agnew, in this installment of "Steve Hess Stories." Subscribe to Brookings podcasts  or on , send feedback email to , and follow us and tweet us at  on Twitter. The Brookings Cafeteria is a part of the .