Betina and Jen have candid conversations about their personal relationships with weight, body image, and physical wellbeing. They share individual stories about emotional eating, fitness journeys, finding self-love despite external pressures and shame loops around body image. The episode focuses on building healthier relationships with their bodies while discussing practical approaches like different diets, exercise routines, and overcoming disordered eating patterns.

Time stamps:

00:00 Intros

1:01 Jen’s Physical Wellbeing Temp Check

7:11 Betina’s Physical Wellbeing Temp Check

10:30 The shame loop surrounding weight

12:41 Betina’s Lindora story

15:33 Being an outlier with a both/and attitude

19:15 Finding self-love when the positive messaging wasn’t coming from outside

23:35 Becoming / Achieving mastery in various areas of life

27:30 The curtsy

29:15 Backstory: Supporting each other through body changes/challenges

30:20 Jen’s jam - Zumba / Harlem adventures

39:55 High metabolism / controlling the sugar spikes / Extrava-GANZA

43:50 Betina - active yet overweight

45:10 Jen’s weight at different times of her life and love of food

48:05 The weight goal for Betina / Whole 30

51:10 Bouncing back after babies / Jen’s favorite bagel sandwich

54:52 Betina’s attempt to overcome emotional eating / Favorite Snack

1:01:05 Life Focus: How do we build a healthy relationship with our bodies

1:09:28 Disordered eating / Healing in every area for balance

1:16:41 Recipes: Nourishment Bowl

Recipes:

Betina’s Veggie Scramble

Cut desired vegetables

Mushroom, spinach. Red onions, bell peppers (all colors), tomato (Betina’s usual mix)

Sautee in olive or avocado oil

Scramble with 3 eggs

Season with italian seasoning or garlic and herb seasoning

Jen’s Kale Salad (Lyla’s recipe)

Kale (cleaned) massaged with salt and olive oil

Peppitos

Dried cranberries

Candied walnuts

Blueberries

Dressing: Maple syrup and dijon mustard base with oil and vinegar (apple cider or red wine)

Seasoning: salt and pepper

Music Credits:

0:00 “For My Good” - AFTR

15:01 “Starfields” - Hallman

28:51 “Modest” - Katori Walker

45:07 “Some Days” - Mo Stacks

54:16 “Juega con el Tumbao” - El Equipo del Norte

68:28 “Movin On Up” - Ryan James Carr

81:07“Modest” - Katori Walker

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In this surprisingly bright episode, Betina affectionately remembers her baby brother BJ and Jen identifies with how light shines through in the broken places. Then the discussion turns metaphysical as they discuss finding hope during dark times.

00:47 Temp Check - Hope Temperatures

00:58 Betina’s Temp Check - remembering her brother that just passed away

02:05 One Headlight

13:57 Jen’s Temp Check - reflecting on light with Bob in Costa Rica coincidentally after Uncle Bob’s passing

19:04 Betina Sharing Memories of BJ

26:00 Wrapping up Jen’s Hope Temp check

29:25 Betina leaning in to faith because it gives hope

32:25 Jen answering how to develop spirituality being brought up as a non-believer

36:50 Science and religion - Both/And

38:07 Psychiatry - The soft science according to the family scientist

41:21 Supporting each others’ evolving visions beginning with Betina

55:55 Jen’s future vision for her family

1:07:25 The superpower of Love

1:09:11 Recipes

1:19:10 Closing thoughts Romans 8:28

Betina’s Smoothies

Handful of spinach

½ Avocado

Fresh and/or frozen fruit

1 cup Water

Jen’s Pickled Red Onions

Red onion sliced large

2 cups white vinegar

2 cups Water

⅓ cup Cane sugar

2 tbsp Sea salt

Optional:

Garlic cloves and peppercorn

Music credits:

0:00 “For My Good” - AFTR

13:35 “Ladies First” - John Runefelt

29:00 “Sunny Daydreams” - Raccy

40:35 “Soul Over Matter” - HATAMITSUNAMI

55:38 “Copacabana” - Onda Norte

68:45 “Living in My Dreams” - Mimmi Bangoura

79:35 “Sunny Daydreams” - Raccy

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Betina and Jen recount their most significant life transitions. They begin with a seasonal temp check, and there’s a high note when they discover that they each froze their butts off at the Mid-Winter Dental Meeting in Chicago before they met. Jen remembers her many attempts to find geographical cures for homelessness within herself, then loses it over the loss of her beloved Uncle Bob. Jen finds hope in letting his spirit live through her every day, and they both take inspiration from his equanimity and the joyful, unattached way he lived his life.

0:00 Intros

0:42 Life Seasons Temp Check

05:08 Betina’s seasonal deep cleaning

06:21 Backstory: Major transitions we’ve supported each other through

10:01 Betina and Jen share their memories of freezing at the Midwinter Dental meeting in Chicago

14:48 Jen’s geographical cures: 1st stop, Portland, Oregon

21:20 Clubbing and how differently they approach it

25:10 Betina’s conversations with her straight-laced daughters

29:30 Jen betrayed by the sunshine in California

35:00 The biggest transition in Jen’s life: Losing Uncle Bob

45:40 Jen drawing back from relationships to make room to grieve

54:40 Betina sharing a belief of a person dying when their life purpose is fulfilled

58:00 Showing love through acts of service vs. EQ (emotional intelligence)

62:50 Uncle Bob never tried to fix Jen in her brokenness; he just loved her / visit to New Orleans

66:07 Life Focus: Embracing change while maintaining friendships

78:17 Betina’s visit to NJ / Lightly salted potato chips

79:30 Recipes

Recipes: Season Transition Comfort Food

Chicken Tortellini Soup

Season chicken breasts: seasoning salt, garlic powder, Cajun seasoning, and black pepper

brown in the skillet with avocado oil

remove and sautee onions, carrots. and garlic

return chicken

add chicken broth

season with Italian seasoning, paprika, salt and pepper

add fresh rosemary and thyme

simmer for 45 minutes

remove chicken and chop roughly

Pour in bag of tortellini

add heavy cream and fresh parmesan cheese

Jen’s Broccoli Mushroom Soup

Sautee one finely chopped onion in olive oil

Brown 8 oz mushrooms

Add 3 cloves minced garlic

Add 4 cups vegetable stock and 1 small head broccoli and bring to a boil, then simmer for 40 min

Use blender or immersion blender to blend

Add ½ cup heavy cream and ½ cup parm, salt and pepper to taste

Serve hot with fresh parsley and crusty bread

Music Credits:

00:00 “For My Good” - AFTR

14:30 “Zigaboos Walk” - El Flaco Collective

26:22 “spot” - Cushy

34:10 “Summer’s Hot” - Katori Walker

51:25 “Is It Over Now” - Gloria Tells

66:05 “Cramp Blues” - John Runefelt

78:02, 88:23 “Sunset” - OTE

There are two subjects they don’t teach in school that you have to learn as an adult: personal finance and… BOUNDARIES. Jen has an established pattern of inviting people into her life, with no credentials needed, and then harboring resentments when they inadvertently violate her nonexistent boundaries. Betina’s MO was to say nothing for the first few transgressions, then to explode in a way where the punishment didn’t fit the crime. Today’s discussion explores the concept of boundaries not as black and white but as fluid, circumstantial, and always evolving.

0:00 Intros

2:00 Jen’s Boundary Temp Check

06:38 Getting to a place of grace before a hard conversation can lead to growth

11:30 Betina’s Boundary Temp Check

12:45 Sharing about setting a podcasting boundary

17:45 Co-host appreciation

18:30 The boundary spectrum

19:25 How Betina destroyed relationships in the past

21:10 The power in processing and safety in wise counsel

22:30 Betina as a mama bear/right but wrong

24:35 Different levels of boundary work/the fluidity of boundaries

25:35 Jen’s slow processing style/people-pleasing

32:00 Betina is not allowing anyone to break her child’s spirit

32:40 Jen showing compassion to an issue that Betina was having with another person

34:33 Taking things personally/the price tag of anger

38:30 Young Jen wanted a mentor

44:18 Jen recently learned that a boundary is a request

4510: Betina agrees, BUT how the person responds informs your next actions

53:00 Willingness means a lot in a relationship

56:54 Red/Yellow/Green Theory in relationship

1:02:00 Jen’s aversion to the objectification of women

1:03:25 Feminism vs Femininity

1:07:00 Respecting each other's differences/the power of knowing your values

1:09:00 The power of an honest no

1:16:30 Conflicting values

Recipes: Boundary Bowl

Jen’s Thai Peanut Bowl

Slice cucumbers, carrots, scallions, avocado, and place over rice or noodles

Peanut Sauce

Peanut butter

Soy sauce

Brown sugar

Lime juice

Garlic

Ginger

Coconut milk

Chili sauce

Betina’s Veggie Bowl

Chop your veggies:

Tomato, shitake mushrooms, yam, onion, bell pepper

Sautee using avocado oil

Seasoning:

Himalayan sea salt, Cajun seasoning, pepper

Sliced carrots, spinach, and kale. Optional

Can of black beans

Plate over cauliflower rice

Cilantro lime dressing

1 small Avocado

Lime juice

¼ cup Greek yogurt

½ cup water

Cilantro

Garlic past

Sea salt

And blend

Music Credits:

00:00 “For My Good” - AFTR

18:06 “Bring Me Home Again” - OTE

34:15 “The Spirit” - Daniel Fridell

49:40 “Good Things Will Come Eventually” - DJ DENZ The Rooster

65:37 “Love Me Like That” - Deanz

84:25 “My Backbeat” - Gregory David

97:21 “Love Me Like That” - Deanz

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Episode 4

Jen and Betina discuss how over-attachment never serves success. Betina dishes biblical wisdom while Jen leans into mysticism; as always, they find the common thread.

00:00 Intros

00:30 Relationship Temp Checks

06:21 Jen sheds light on what happens when she holds on too tightly

*Baby Shoes

*Mugs

*Baby furniture

17:30 Supporting honest growth through life changes

18:10 Betina's observation of holding things loosely/focusing on purpose

20:40 Jen's intention of transparency

22:50 Betina's estimation of the real cost of not prioritizing tasks

29:45 Beauty in limitlessness

31:15 David's journey to the throne/Babylon acting as God's whipping spoon

39:25 Jen's definition of god

42;36 How to use accountability in relationships or as life transitions

45:03 Jen's relationship with time. They are not friends

51:45 Recipes

Recipes - Comfort Foods

Cynthia’s Chicken Enchilada Casserole

1 chicken boiled and deboned

1 onion diced

2 Oz of green chiles

1 can cream of mushroom soup

1 can cream of chicken soup

A dozen corn tortillas

½ lb sharp cheddar, ½ lb jack or whatever your preference, shredded

Sautee the onions then throw in the soups and chiles to heat then throw in the chicken.

Cut the tortillas into triangles and then cover a Pyrex with some of the tortillas, then layer the soup mix, then cheese on top, and then layer again.

350 in the oven for an hour or 400 for 40 minutes, top with red enchilada sauce

Zuppa Toscano

cut bacon into smaller pieces cook remove from pot

Brown 1 lb mild Italian sausage remove from pot

Remove excess fat

Add peeled and chopped potatoes

Mix beef bouillon with water, add to potatoes to boil

While boiling clean and chop kale and

chop an onion

Once potatoes are tender

return the sausage to the pot

add onion

Season to taste:

Seasoning salt

Garlic paste

Italian seasoning

Oregano

Garlic and Herb seasoning

Add heavy cream to thicken the broth

Add kale for last 10 minutes

return bacon

last 2 minutes add fresh parmesan

Music Credits:

0:00 “For My Good” - AFTR

17:14 “Dance for You (Instrumental Version)” - Revel Day

31:08 “Pebble’s Song (Good Friends) (Instrumental Version)” - Revel Day

42:09 “Paper Crane” - Revel Day

59:29 “Full Time Job (Instrumental Version) - Mindme

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Breaking Barriers

Betina and Jen emphasize the need to practice compassion in these turbulent times and the role that action has played in their growth journeys. They recognize how much they’ve changed as they’ve each broken through personal barriers.

0:00 Intros

0:33 Cultural Temp check

6:30 Dad’s approval arrives at last

9:30 Bad news sticks like velcro / good news slides off like teflon

10:40 Joy jar / God box

12:35 Move a muscle, change a thought

14:08 Betina’s motivation hack

17:02 Betina’s hard-won relationship with her youngest daughter

26:15 Jen is filing notes in her “parent file”

28:35 Jen’s in the parenting honeymoon phase

31:30 Backstory question: Learning from our differences / How Betina & Jen met

39:23 Fans say Jen is limitless/Betina agrees

42:56 Betina delivers a great product to Jen

45:42 Old school spam phone calls

47:55 Betina’s daughter calls 89x/day

51:04 Jen surrounds herself with people of faith

57:40 Jen in her social media gangsta days

61:05 The growth of embracing people with differing opinions

65:05 The opposite of addiction is connection

67:04 Cultural fusion recipes

Recipes:

Joyce’s Honey Harissa Chicken

Chicken marinade:

Minced garlic, harissa, honey, paprika, salt, pepper, small amount of tzatziki

Grill marinated chicken, brushing on additional honey at the end

Salad:

Cucumbers, tomatoes, red onion, olives, crumbled feta, parsley, small amount EVOO, salt, pepper

Roast any Mediterranean flatbread stovetop with garlic powder, salt, and pepper

Serve with tzatziki sauce and a side of rice

Unfortunately, the Oxtail Birria taco recipe is too long and could not be fully uploaded. Feel free to email us if you want us to send it to you.

Music Credits:

00:00 “For My Good” - AFTR

13:53 “One Too Many” - Ryan James Carr

28:09 “Happy Accident” - Daniel Fridell

42:34 “Glitterati” - Fox Morrow

54:35 “Conman” - Tyra Chantey

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Jen recounts her glamorous night out at a NYC gala. Then the ladies go deep on what it means to be open-hearted, as Jen tells the story of her first heartbreak and Betina talks about the doors that are being unlocked within her as she strives to move away from grind culture.

0:00 Intros

1:20 Jen’s glamorous night out, plus past celebrity sightings

15:14 Betina’s spiritual temp check (low and slow)

19:02 Betina unlocking doors/vantage points

22:36 Jen’s story of heartbreak / Betina moving away from grind culture

33:16 Milk-deficient moms / Betina’s resists idolizing the physical temple

39:00 Back story: How does faith shape friendship / Jen’s past lack of faith

51:14 Betina’s God-given friendships

59:35 Jen’s struggle with flaky communicators

62:40 Lisa Nichols's cup overflowing story

66:08 Jen tells a story from the movie Adaptation (that she’s never seen)

69:15 Recipes

Recipes: Sunday Dinner Favorite

Betina’s Smothered Chicken, Collard Greens, and Hot Water Cornbread

Chicken

Season chicken with Betina’s Go-To Four (Garlic powder, black pepper, Lowrey’s Seasoning Salt, and cajun seasoning; batter with flour

Brown meat in dutch oven

Gravy

Cut up 1 stalk celery, ½ onion, and ½ bell pepper

Cook in oil and butter until they begin to sweat, then add flour from chicken to bottom of pan

Add water/more flour to desired thickness

Add ½ can cream of mushroom soup

Tsp better than bouillon chicken plus 1 tsp dry bouillon

Add chicken back to gravy, put on lid and place in oven

Collard greens

Boil smoked turkey necks or smoked turkey legs in half pot water for several hours

Wash collard greens with vinegar and cut and add to pot

Cook for 30 minutes without seasoning

Remove all bones and gristle from pot

Season greens with a little bit of sugar, beef and chicken bouillon, and cajun seasoning

Hot water cornbread

Boil water and mix into bowl with 1 cup cornmeal, ½ cup flour, salt and sugar

Dollop patties into cast iron skillet coated with oil

Brown on both sides

Place on paper towel to cool

Serve with pot of rice on side

Music Credits:

00:00 “For My Good” - AFTR

14:56 “All Night Dance” - PØW

29:24 “Refried” - Ryan James Carr

38:47 “Search Friendly” - Chris Shards

50:54 “Can I Tell You” - Bonsaye

69:02 “I Wish I Was a Happy Fool” - Sven Lindvall

79:37 “Can I Tell You” - Bonsaye

In this deeply emotional episode, hosts Jen and Betina explore the concept of emotional sobriety and share their personal journeys with unprecedented vulnerability.

Betina shares her powerful life story, including cycles of desperation and risk-taking behavior. The conversation explores how they find common ground in how feeling unloved during childhood led both women to develop unhealthy patterns of seeking love outside their homes.

This raw, unfiltered conversation offers listeners a powerful glimpse into the hosts' journeys toward emotional healing and clarity, providing hope that past trauma can be transformed into future purpose.

01:34 Emotional Sobriety defined

05:49 Jen’s Temp check and Personal growth markers

12:10 Betina’s Temp check and personal growth markers

17:40 Jen asks, “What is motivating you?” (insert tissue box here)

23:09 Betina wants to become a voice of possibility through mastery

28:20 Betina’s story

41:29 Book excerpt

45:15 “Before I tell you about my childhood, let me tell you about my mother’s”

49:10 Learning to show affection from daytime television

53:30 Jen is looking for a substitute love

57:10 Jen’s dream of a parent/child relationship

1:00:00 Betina’s goal to be a light for others

1:02:00 Jen asks to hear more about Betina’s past (getting convicted)

1:15:30 Betina’s career becomes a light in a dark place

1:24:00 Jen bringing it all full circle

1:30:45 Life focus question Jen

1:32:56 Life focus question Betina

1:34:45 Non-alcoholic Celebration drinks

Jen - Shirley Temple

Betina - Jungle Juice

Music Credits:

00 “For My Good” - AFTR

17:21, 30:37, 38:02, 52:49, 1:01:30, 1:15:18 “Cope” - Gloria Tells

22:08 “We Got Chemistry” - spring gang

30:37, 38:02, 52:49, 1:01:30, 1:15:18 - “Cope” - Gloria Tells

1:23:39, 1:39:43 “Set for Life” - AFTR

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Episode 3

Betina and Jen reminisce about how they’ve held each other accountable in the past. They discuss being able (or unable) to let go of old friendships, the importance of scheduling rest, and Jen tells the story of her falling out and eventual reunion with her male best friend.

Joyce’s Promise Keeper Pasta

Sautee 3 large cloves garlic in pan with olive oil

Add 2 cups vegetable stock and bring to a boil

Add ½ stick butter, rosemary, thyme, and red pepper flakes and simmer

Mix 2 tbsp flour in a cup, add water until not quite as thick as pancake batter

Slowly flour mixture whisk into sauce

Bring heat up to high and add 12 oz cherry tomatoes

Once all tomatoes popped, add 1 cup parmesan cheese and chopped basil

Finish with more crushed red pepper

Betina’s Baked Ziti

Boil pasta to just under al dente

Brown 1 lb Italian sausage and 1 lb ground turkey in a pot

Add chopped onion, red and green bell pepper, tomatoes

Add garlic paste, tomato paste, 1 can diced tomatoes and 1 can tomato puree

Add Lawry’s seasoning salt, Italian seasoning and oregano and dash of sugar

Ricotta sauce

To a large container of ricotta, add parmesan, mozzarella, fresh spinach and 1 egg

Layer sauce on bottom, ziti, then big scoops of the ricotta mixture, repeat adding mozzarella in between the layers and on top

Bake at 350 for 15-20 minutes

Betina’s Garlic Bread

Bake garlic heads in the oven with olive oil and Himalayan sea salt for 45 minutes

Squeeze into room temperature butter

Spread onto crusty sour dough with salt, pepper, and mozzarella or parmesan cheese and stick back into oven

Music Credits:

0:00 “For My Good” - AFTR

12:20 “Light of My God” - JOYSPRING

27:27 “okay, thanks (Instrumental Version)” - Adelyn Paik

49:30 “Gold (Can’t Tell Me) - Pandaraps

1:04:36 “Always by Your Side” - House of Say

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Betina and Jen discover they have diametrically opposite versions of a perfect night at home. Even though she recently relocated from California to the Midwest, Betina is closer to home than she’s ever been. After years spent feeling homeless within herself, Jen decks out her house with everything her childhood self would have wanted and describes how she transformed her value system to bring family into the center. Betina teaches Jen how to cook with abandon and abundance, never leaving out the secret ingredient of love.

Show Notes:

00:00 Finding home for Betina

02:07 Betina’s ideal night at home

05:25 Jen’s ideal night at home

07:20 Finding home for Jen

13:30 “Arranged Marriage”

17:10 Relationship growth

21:00 Cheese sauce

24:41 Ineffable qualities

28:35 Winning the family lottery

31:15 Betina’s story of Harshil’s generosity

35:00 Ernie and Harshil getting into it over Steve Harvey

36:20 What makes home for Betina

40:07 Cooking with abundance

47:51 Jen’s psychological complex about serving food

50:22 Betina’s love language of preparing a meal

53:00 Maya’s Indian Wedding (1st birthday party)

56:00 All about the nucleus of the family

57:33 Perfectionism crowds out love

59:15 Betina’s 100%

1:01:48 Recipes

1:14:48 Betina’s natural confidence / Jen’s confidence role model

Betina’s Tacos

To a medium-sized skillet, add:

1 lb. ground turkey

1/3 small white onion chopped

1/3 bunch cilantro chopped

Lightly sprinkle:

· Lawry’s Seasoning Salt

· Garlic powder

· Cajun seasoning

· Black pepper

And brown the meat

I remove excess liquid from browning the meat

Then add 1 Lawry’s Taco Seasoning packet and ½ cup of water, and simmer to let the flavors come together

Chop your desired toppings:

Tomato, red onion, more cilantro

Slice avocado

Shred cheese and lettuce

Fry the corn tortillas

Layer tacos as desired, adding sour cream and salsa to taste

Jen’s Salsa Cruda

Chop:

3-4 large tomatoes

2 chilis (anaheim or serrano)

2 jalapenos

5 green onions

Add 1 tsp of the following:

Ground cumin

Fresh lime juice

Sugar

Fresh cilantro

Salt and pepper to taste

Music Credits:

0:00 “For My Good” - AFTR

16:57 “Wild Nights (Instrumental Version)” - Shy5’

24:31 “Catalpa Cafe” - Dylan Sitts

36:02 “All In” - Nbhd Nick

47:40 “Lucky Shot” - El Flaco Collective

1:01:36 “Pass the Plate” - JOYSPRING

1:19:20 “All In” - Nbhd Nick

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