Ryan & Becca welcome back Trevor Daugherty to dive into the story of the Northern Indiana Clay Alliance — from its founding vision and organizational structure to the events it organizes, including the renowned Michiana Pottery Tour. They discuss the challenges and opportunities of running a nonprofit, strategies for funding, and the Alliance’s commitment to supporting emerging artists through scholarships and exposure. The conversation also explores shifts in individual pottery practices, evolving techniques, and the vital role of community within clay.

Maker of the Moment

• Brett Sauve - @brettsauveart

-----Find more about NICA & Trevor's business below-----
Instagram - @indianaclayorg, @michianapotterytour, @trevorclayworks
Website - indianaclay.org, michianapotterytour.com, www.trevorclayworks.com, awarehouseshop.com
#122 - Atmospheric firing with Trevor Daugherty from Trevor Clayworks

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Ryan & Becca discuss the realities of balancing work and life as artists, sharing thoughts on preventing burnout and navigating career transitions. They also highlight the importance of self-care, building support systems, and offer strategies for coping with art show rejections.

Maker of the Moment

• Tara Underwood - @tara.underwood
• Tanya Everard - @tanyaeverard

Listener Questions
On this episode:

• How do you handle not getting accepted into markets? I recently got rejected from 5 events and I’m at a loss. My work sells in the stores I’m in, I can sell $2-3k at my regular market events, I’m a nice person! I don’t get it. I looked at other potters who were accepted and in a few cases- I get it, but often I think my work is on par. What do you do to push through in the face of rejection and not let it steal your self worth? Thanks! Also - Becca’s jingles are the best! @jennywoodarts

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The Ceramic Shop - Trusted by potters everywhere for fast shipping, great prices, and expert support. Explore more at theceramicshop.com and use "Wheeltalk10" for $10 off your order of $75 or more.

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As Wheel Talk approaches its 6-year anniversary, Ryan and Becca reflect on the podcast’s growth and the incredible community that’s formed around it. Ryan shares highlights from his recent anniversary trip to Hawaii, and the conversation shifts to social media—what's working, what's not, and how they're each approaching content creation and engagement. They break down their current posting strategies, including the continued success of Ryan’s Mug Monday series. Plus, they welcome a brand-new sponsor to the podcast!

Resources
The Community: https://www.makersplaybook.com/community
EtSEO: https://sellerevents.etsy.com/events/details/etsy-shop-optimization-presents-etseo-live-listing-critique-panel-optimize-your-shop-for-spring/ 

Maker of the Moment

• Jeanette Leroux - @jeanette_leroux_ceramics
• Jessie Bailey - @beanandbaileyceramics

Listener Questions
On this episode:

• I would love to hear your thoughts on SEO, specifically how did you guys come up to speed on it, resources you use or used, etc. @jelo.designs
• I was hoping you could explore how potters develop their voice and aesthetic, especially online. As a potter, I’m currently in the “posting my work and hoping the algorithm is feeling generous. Just trying to figure out how to share my story and style without overthinking every caption. Just a thought from someone elbow-deep in clay and Instagram drafts. @shawn_reid_pottery

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Ryan & Becca explore the realities of small business finances—from paying livable wages and employee compensation to navigating the shift from salaried work to self-employment. This episode follows a slightly different format, and we hope you enjoy the conversation.

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Ryan and Becca kick off with a recap of Ryan’s recent Nashville workshop. The episode then centers on a listener question about converting social media engagement into actual sales—especially when platform limitations make linking to your shop tricky. They share practical tips for navigating those challenges, Becca’s van upgrades, and marketing strategies.

Maker of the Moment

• Jessica Guerrero - @pottedbyjess
• Ronan Kyle Peterson - @caterboy

Listener Questions
On this episode:

• How does Instagram, or Social in general, convert to sales? I sell on Etsy and Instagram doesn’t allow me to add a link to my Etsy page. @jelo.designs

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In this episode, Ryan shares his recent visit to Isaac Shue's gallery opening in Kansas and offers practical advice on building and maintaining a soda kiln—including materials, costs, and construction tips. He also discusses upcoming pottery workshops, sourcing studio equipment, and the value of sharing knowledge within the ceramics community.

Resources
Sign up for Ryan's soda workshop

Maker of the Moment

• Maddie Sawatzky - @maddiemadepottery
• Becky - @hawthorn_ceramics

Listener Questions
On this episode:

• I'm looking for advice on wholesale-ing. Specifically, how to approach a brick and mortar or online business with my ceramics. What are the must do's/haves -samples, line sheets, photographs? How best to be prepared to make a positive impression? Would love to hear from a small business on what makes them want to sell an artists goods. @YKSceramics
• What is the best way to afford building a soda kiln like Ryan's?@coolguy_charlie

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In this episode, Becca opens up about her recent transition into a new job and the mental health challenges that came with it. She shares her experience stepping away from pottery and social media, reflecting on how that break impacted her creativity, identity, and personal relationships. Ryan joins the conversation with thoughtful questions about Becca’s evolving work life, her approach to personal growth, and the strategies she’s using to support her mental and physical well-being. We're grateful to Becca for sharing with such honesty and vulnerability.

Maker of the Moment

• Michael Millam - @mikenightmare
• Jared Zehmer - @jared.zehmer.pottery

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Ryan and Becca return for the fifth chapter of the podcast book club, diving into Art & Fear: Observations on the Perils (and Rewards) of Artmaking by David Bayles and Ted Orland. Joined once again by Taylor Swilley, they unpack key takeaways and reflect on how the book’s themes resonate with their own creative practices and businesses.

Our next book club selection is Boy in a China Shop: Life, Clay and Everything by Keith Brymer Jones with plans to release the episode in July or August. See all the books we've covered on Becca's Amazon list at https://amzn.to/3X5yZOX

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In this episode, Ryan and Becca dive into the nitty-gritty of participating in art shows—from understanding different fee structures to handling logistics and boosting your profits. They break down common models, including flat booth fees, low table fees with commissions, and hybrid setups. Plus, stick around for a listener question about surviving rainy art shows and drying out your work and display afterwards.

Maker of the Moment

• Meredith Bradley - @cityinbloomceramics
• Rachel DePauw - @depauwpottery

Listeners Questions
On this episode:

• Do you have any practices for when you come home from a show and EVERYTHING is soaked? It rained the entire show, from set up to load out. How would you dry everything out? Also, how would you manage keeping everything as dry as possible during the setup and tear down of your booth?  @lifer_studios

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Ryan & Becca welcome back Heidi Fahrenbacher of Bella Joy Pottery to catch up on her new studio build and share advice on a few business topics. They dive into Ryan’s current work hours and revenue from pottery as a side hustle, and how tracking these metrics can offer valuable insights for your own business. The conversation also covers Etsy sales strategies and tips for providing great customer service. Lastly, Becca proposes an interesting challenge for the group.

Maker of the Moment

• Autumn McKay - @_autumnmckay
• Shelley Dean - @shellbellartstudio
• Megs LeVesseur - @megslevesseurceramics

-----Find more about Heidi's business below-----
Instagram - @bellajoypottery
Website - bellajoypottery.com - Heidi's New Transfers

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