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When Autism Meets Gender Diversity


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Studies show that transgender and nonbinary people are three to six times more likely to have autism than their cisgender peers. Researchers are still trying to better understand the connection. This week In the Den, Jen visits with occupational therapist Dr. Anne Kirby and Frank Vales, a trans and autistic student, about the intersection of the autism spectrum and gender diversity. 

Special Guest: Dr. Anne Kirby


Anne V. Kirby, PhD, OTR/L, is an associate professor in the Department of Occupational and Recreational Therapies at the University of Utah, with an adjunct appointment in the Department of Psychiatry. She received her BS and MS degrees from the University of New Hampshire, and then practiced as an occupational therapist in multiple settings in Washington, DC. She received her PhD in Occupational Science from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in 2015, before becoming a faculty member at the University of Utah. Her research expertise is in sensory processing, the transition to adulthood, and suicide risk and prevention for the autistic community. She is currently leading a K23 award from NIMH using community based participatory research for suicide prevention, in partnership with the Academic Autism Spectrum Partnership in Research and Education (AASPIRE). She serves as a Consultant on the University of Pittsburgh ACE grant.


Special Guest: Frank Vales


Frank Vales (he/him) is a 20-year-old student and artist born and raised in Salt Lake City, Utah. He is studying communication and writing with plans to go into the field of applied linguistics. He is autistic, disabled, and Queer, and is passionate about advocacy and community engagement. He has extensive public speaking experience on the topics of LGBTQ+ youth, mental health, autism acceptance, and suicide prevention. He is particularly interested in the intersection of Queer, neurodivergent, and disabled experiences and identities. In his spare time, he enjoys taking care of his unusual pets, including snakes and exotic cockroaches, and studying Irish Gaelic. 

 Links from the show: 



  • https://aaspire.org/projects/mental-health/suicidality/

  • https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/lgbt.2018.0252

  • https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7415151/

  • https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30140984/

  • https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17794-1

  • https://faculty.utah.edu/u6002168-ANNE_V._KIRBY/research/index.hm

  • https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/lar

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