Today we're talking about how to calm your mind in a chaotic world. What you're about to hear is an interview with Dan, conducted by his new friend Hoda Kotb, another morning news veteran. Hoda was, for many years, the co-anchor of the Today Show on NBC. Now, among other things, she hosts a podcast called Making Space.

You'll hear Dan and Hoda talk about:

• A practical framework for staying sane when the news, your inbox, or your personal life goes sideways

• Why joy is a skill (and not a personality trait you either have or don't)

• How to set boundaries without feeling like a jerk

• How to let go of the self-improvement fantasy you've been carrying around for years

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