Alex invited Janelle Teng from Bessemer Venture Partners on the program to riff with us on the state of the cloud.

That's also the title of Bessemer's latest data dump concerning cloud stocks, startups, AI, and more. Teng, a co-author on the report, walked through some of key bits with us to better explain her firm's perspective, and to answer our critical commentary regarding Figma and why startups should always kill Goliath, instead of joining him for a round of grapes and lounging.

You can find the report that we chatted about here, and our early notes thereof here. Finally, a rundown of topics:

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