Is AI the silver bullet for modernizing our aging software systems, or is it a fast track to creating the next generation of unmaintainable "slopware"?In this episode, I sit down with Marianne Bellotti, author of the amazing book "Kill It With Fire," to discuss the complex reality of legacy system modernization in the age of AI. We explore why understanding the cultural and human history of a codebase is critical, and how the current AI hype cycle isn't a silver bullet for legacy IT modernization efforts.Marianne breaks down a recent disastrous "vibe coding" experiment, the risk of replacing simple human errors with catastrophic automated ones, and the massive disconnect between the promises of AI agents and the daily reality of a practitioner just trying to get a service account from IT.Join us for a pragmatic and no-BS conversation about the real challenges in software, the practical ways to leverage LLMs as an expert partner, and why good old-fashioned systems thinking is more important than ever.Find Marianne Bellotti:Socials: @BellmarWebsite: https://belladotte.tech/Book, "Kill It With Fire": https://nostarch.com/kill-it-fire