Why vision impaired people struggle to pay by touchscreens

Paying by card is simple for most of us, but for some visually impaired people, newer, touch screen card readers can be a problem. RNIB’s Dave Williams tells us about the challenges as well as the workarounds. And lawyer Chris Fry joins us to explain where we stand legally. We have Georgina Rose back with us, Strictly Come Dancing’s first live audio describer. She shares all her behind-the-scenes secrets with us, from how she preps to commentate on the sequins and how to squeeze in a speedy bathroom break. And there’s a new kids show in town, MixMups uses stop-motion animation to reframe disabled characters and stories for the next generation. Nikki and Emma catch up with the show’s creator Rebecca Atkinson and get introduced to Pockets, Giggle and Spin. Presented by Nikki Fox and Emma Tracey. Mixed by Gareth Jones. Produced by Emma Tracey, Drew Hyndman, Bethan Ashmead, Beth Rose and Alix Pickles. The editor is Damon Rose and the senior editor is Jonathan Aspinwall. Subscribe on BBC Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts. Say "Alexa, ask the BBC for Access All". Email [email protected] and on X we're @BBCAccessAll.