Conversations on Climate Solutions: Industry Adaptations and Global Impact at the Climate Impact Summit

In this episode of Wicked Problems, host Richard Delevan brings discussions from the Climate Impact Flagship Summit in London. The episode features key guests like Carrie Lovelace and Chris Hayes from Visions 2030, who discuss their ambitious project aimed at fostering eco-consciousness through immersive experiences. Also included are insights from Belinda Perryman of Convert Well, who talks about transitioning oil and gas expertise to carbon sequestration and hydrogen production. Several other industry experts weigh in on the state of climate tech innovation, challenges in commercialization, and policy implications.

01:51 Visions 2030 and Experiential Projects

04:54 Carrie Lovelace's Artistic Journey

10:54 Eco-Consciousness and Climate Solutions

17:06 Future Plans for Visions 2030

23:00 Climate Impact Flagship Summit Highlights

29:14 Scaling CT part 2

33:19 System Change and the Green Industrial Revolution

40:40 Insights from the Oil and Gas Industry with Belinda Perriman of ConvertWell

40:45 Belinda Perriman's Journey in Oil and Gas

44:18 Carbon Capture and Storage Projects

50:42 The Convert Well Initiative

55:12 Industry Reception and Future Prospects

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Remember. It’s darkest before…things go totally pitch black.

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Whether originating with the late Senator John McCain, Paul Newman, Mao, or John McCain quoting Mao, we love that line. 

Embrace the dark. When you stop being afraid of the dark, your eyes get pretty good. 

You might even spot some undead types who are back from the grave and up to no good. And I think there might be some types up to no good, here in Britain. It’s one thing for Nigel Farage to suddenly look odds-on to form the next government here leading Reform UK’s right-populist anti-climate party, should this week’s UK local election results be predictive to the next general election.

The real question is whether the incumbent UK government will stay the course or join the “vibe shift” of deciding there’s short-term political profit in sacrificing long-term climate survival. 

Thankfully, for this third episode of the early May holiday weekend, necessary for the insane news cycle, for these conversations we were joined by Holly Brazier-Tope, deputy director of politics at UK think tank Green Alliance; UK-based climate journalist and 6th-dan-blackbelt Bluesky shitposter Dave Vetter; and 

Adam Bell, director of policy at Stonehaven, a UK consultancy.

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Do you want the good news or bad news first? 

Good news: here in the UK it’s a sunny Friday on the cusp of a bank holiday weekend. 

Bad news: Shiz cray. 

Could go either way: this is one of 3 holiday weekend episodes. 

Definitely good news: Lydia Collas of UK think tank Green Alliance and Rupert Read of Climate Majority Project have incisive analysis of what we’re seeing over here. And we discuss Green Alliance’s analysis of how climate effects are already hitting British household finances, in the wake of the UK Climate Change Committee’s scathing report on climate adaptation. 

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We will be back soon with some UK election recap and the ‘vibe shift’ that seems to have gone transatlantic, featuring friends 

Adam Bell, Dave Vetter, and Holly Brazier-Tope from Green Alliance, to talk through the Tony Blair Institute vibe shift, the election of climate deniers into government for the most climate-at-risk areas in the UK, and more. Just to add to the merriment of the nation this bank holiday weekend.

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Today’s exit track is Fiesta by The Pogues - with Tunbridge Wells’ least-known and best-loved frontman, Shane MacGowan.

We’re finishing a long-read and when we say long we mean LONG. But it’s our attempt to get behind the day-to-day reporting of the various machinations of what’s happening in the US and try to understand it by examining the things that have shaped the worldview of the two most influential people on the planet right now. No, we don’t mean The Mad King in the Oval Office. We mean Elon Musk and Peter Thiel. And why it’s time to stop being surprised about what happens next.

Intro

Part I

But we take a break from the American shitshow to focus on something actually important, with our friend Tom Raftery - a transplanted Corkonian living near Seville since 2008. He and his family just lived through the most significant European blackout in decades. And because Tom is a veteran energy and climate analyst, and host of Climate Confident, he can offer a more-than-bystander account of what he was seeing, why he thinks it happened, and what might be done about it in future.

And if you’re in the UK next week, and you can stretch to it, you should check out the Climate Impact summit on 7 May at the Royal Institution in London. As always, great lineup of speakers and attendees from the worlds of climate solution tech, investment, policy, and more, plus the craic is ninety. 

A few tickets are still available but they are going fast. If you are going give us a shout so we can meet up when you’re there.

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All will become clear.

How F*cked Are We?

NGL. It’s not great, Bob.

That said, if you have even a smidge of privilege at the moment, spending a bit of your time paying attention not just to the moment-to-moment spectacle but what it means - so as to inform how you spend your future time and resource - feels kinda important.

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Dana R Fisher, one of the best American chroniclers of our times, returns to the show to talk through what she’s seeing on the street, in the Academy, and in the grant-making boardrooms, that will affect climate science, and resulting climate solutions, for decades to come.

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It didn’t take a genius to figure out that passing 1.5C would result in previously-taboo ideas like scaling carbon removals and solar geoengineering would rapidly get traction in the mainstream discourse. I know it doesn’t take a genius because I wrote that >18 months ago.

And as my bank manager and inlaws will (eagerly) tell you – “wait you’re quitting corporate... and… just as the political winds turn against it you’re going to…double down on a ‘media thing’ on climate and climate solutions?” – I am not a genius.

One of the nice things about making yourself an outsider is you’re both blithely unaware of the tribal shibboleths you might be violating and just try to follow arguments where they lead.

Anyway, here we are in April 2025 and geoengineering – Solar Radiation Modification, SRM, of whatever flavour, is building up to a moment. We’ve been seeing the signs for a while and you can check out our previous SRM episodes with SilverLining:

and The Degrees Initiative:

…the Bristol-based NGO acting to make sure that any research on solar geoengineering foregrounds actual science from actual scientists working in the actual countries that have the most to lose from both climate change and from solar geoengineering if it goes wrong.

But now we may be headed to a crescendo:

Item: Guardian, 7th April, Britain’s OG climate hawk David King.

Headline: We passed the 1.5C climate threshold. We must now explore extreme options.

Item: Bloomberg, 3rd of April with reporting from Will Matthis:

Headline: UK Launches £10 Million Study on Blocking the Sun to Reverse Global Warming

Item: the EU’s scientific advisors have been pushing for a moratorium on SRM. Tomorrow researchers from a consortium called SRM360 are hosting a panel discussion. Including researchers Peter Irvine from the University of Chicago and Josh Horton of the Harvard Kennedy School of Government. So here’s my interview with them in case you want to check it out and maybe attend the discussion tomorrow.

April 9th, 4:00 pm GMT / 10:00 am ET

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One thing for comms pros: having thought about it, the debate about whether the best analogy is Ozempic or Chemo for geoengineering is timelier than ever. This was a pretty persuasive case that telling people “we need to do this and it’s going to hurt - a lot” might be a wakeup call. But that’s going to become a live debate.

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Do you need some Zen? I need a bit of that or something, just to get my head right. So we spoke with LaUra Schmidt, one-half of the dynamic duo of climate psychology along with her Good Grief Network co-founder and wife Aimee Lewis Reau, who wrote How to Live in a Chaotic Climate that was published a little over a year ago. And blimey we need more of their coping strategies than we ever thought we would when the book first came out.

We get into climate grief, trauma, and resilience with Schmidt. We argue the challenges of individual versus collective climate action, the science and spiritual dimensions of environmental advocacy, and the importance of community in building resilience.

Schmidt shares insights from her experiences growing up in rural Michigan, studying Buddhism, biology, and environmental science, and her efforts to help people cope with the emotional toll of climate change through the Good Grief Network's 10-step program.

We also touch on the significance of finding meaning, joy, and humor amidst the chaos, while preparing for an uncertain future.

02:12 Conversation with Laura Schmidt

04:53 Laura's Background and Motivations

16:09 The Good Grief Network

24:56 The Long Dark: Seeds of Creativity

25:37 Ancient Wisdom and Cultural Narratives

29:29 Stories of Resilience and Human Agency

31:05 The Role of Community in Modern Times

38:13 Upcoming Events and Final Thoughts

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Join Richard Delevan in this episode of Wicked Problems as he explores the recent Trump tariffs, their impact on global trade, and their parallels with mafia control tactics. He discusses historical examples of mafia extortion in Sicily with Linda Vetrano from the grassroots anti-mafia movement Addiopizzo. Learn about the economic and social consequences of extortion and how communities can resist and build solidarity against such coercive powers. Richard also previews upcoming interviews and topics related to climate stress and solar radiation management.

00:00 The Story of an Entrepreneur's Defiance

00:33 Introduction to Wicked Problems

00:41 Trump Tariffs and Market Reactions

02:37 Understanding the Economic Impact

07:29 Historical Context and Personal Anecdotes

10:20 The Mafia's Influence and Extortion Tactics

11:34 The Birth of the Anti-Mafia Movement

15:44 The Power of Solidarity and Community

30:08 The Success and Expansion of the Movement

37:28 Conclusion and Future Conversations

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It feels like things are coming to a head.

Here in the UK, the tensions between wanting growth and not wanting anything to change are hotting up. 

Adam Bell from Stonehaven UK joined me to talk the implications of Heathrow’s “unusual” substation fire for UK grid investments, Kemi Badenoch’s Net Zero too-clever-by-half turn, and the Abundance debate in which I slightly traduce Dave Vetter (sorry Dave).In the US, the dark news cycles are starting to be reflected into some dark thoughts. Proper dark. And we link to 

Dana R Fisher’s latest disturbing findings in Scientific American about rapidly shifting attitudes towards violence among people who a couple of years ago would be more likely to be toting a pink pussy hat than a firearm.

But as always, there are winners and losers. Prashant Rao from Semafor talks us through what he’s seeing in whether the Trump administration has so demonized renewables that there are now bargains to be had in oversold renewables assets.

And Prashant has a request. He’s running the London marathon on 27 April to support the Rory Peck Trust, a UK charity which provides support to freelance journalists and their families to improve their welfare and safety, and fights for their right to report freely. Which, frankly, if you don’t agree that’s a good cause you’re probably in the wrong parish. Give the Rory Peck Trust a bit of love and support Prashant’s marathon.

Follow Adam Bell on LinkedIn and BlueSky.

Sign up for Semafor’s Net Zero newsletter where Prashant makes a not infrequent appearance. Follow him on LinkedIn and BlueSky.

Read Dana R. Fisher’s findings in Scientific American.

Read Dave Vetter’s takedown of Ezra Klein’s “Abundance.”

More soon in the newsletter on those last two.

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The electricity grid is more fragile and more vulnerable than it needs to be for what we’re asking the basically 120-yr-old tech to do in 2025. Last week’s outage after an explosion at the substation nearest Heathrow, London’s busiest airport, was a reminder of that.

Before founding grid tech rising star ENODA, Paul Domjan advised the US defence dept, NATO and plenty of others on energy security. Paul sheds light on how the incident highlights the grid's vulnerabilities and the necessity for a more resilient and flexible electricity system. The amazing thing, Paul says, is that we’ve been this lucky for this long.

A group very respectful of luck was the IRA, which after nearly killing Margaret Thatcher in Brighton in 1984 quipped: “we only need to be lucky once, you must be lucky always.” And last week’s incident, while foul play isn’t in evidence, reminded Paul of a 1996 IRA plot to disrupt London’s power supply, stopped at the last moment by MI5 in Operation AIRLINES. He cautions against complacency given the evolving threats to energy infrastructure from geopolitical tensions.

The conversation underscores the need for systemic changes in utilities’ approach, investments in renewable energy, and the adoption of innovative solutions to ensure grid reliability and stability.

01:15 Historical Context: IRA Plot

03:54 Energy Infrastructure Vulnerabilities

06:32 Interview with Paul Damian: Background and Insights

07:28 Paul's Career and NATO Involvement

10:23 The Fragility of the Power Grid

12:13 Technological Solutions for Grid Stability

26:39 Policy Recommendations for Energy Security

32:28 Conclusion and Future Conversations

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