Have you heard Abbie Chatfield let rip? You must. The 26-year-old is a reality TV star and vibrator saleswoman with an irreverent podcast (400,000 downloads a month) who will put her boobs, STI treatment plans and beliefs on the public line to make an often controversial and important point, invariably in support of female sexual rights and voice. Oh, and getting vaccinated.

As a Gen X feminist, I find it a thing to behold. And I've been wonderfully challenged by the Peak 2021 Sensation that she is for some time. So many questions, so much to humbly learn from her ability to tread complex nuance, and to brazenly cut to awkward chases. In many ways she takes what feminists of my generation (and older) fought for (and struggled to land) and puts it back on the agenda, front and centre and says...right, deal with it, now, all of you!

For some reality TV mash-up context: Abbie was a controversial star of the The Bachelor, The Bachelor In Paradise and I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here (which she won).  She's recently online feuded with a Married at First Sight star (calling them out for supporting rape humour) and a Home and Away star (on their anti-vax stance). She's just finished gig as host Love Island After Party, about to host Below Deck, done a project for Real Housewives where she sings a duet with comedian Joel Creasey…and has just announced she's dating a recent Bachelorette contestant. All in three years. She has sold 100,000 of her vibrators since April and is an ambassador to various brands, including Levis, which she models with her cellulite un-airbrushed.

We talk all of the above, and drill down to what drives her, what it's like to be a young person wading into "Troll Territory" daily, and ultimately how she feels a responsibility to young women struggling to find their voice in the #metoo era. 

On air, I challenge her to join the climate movement...we need Abbie Chatfield (feel free to prod her on her socials).
Her podcast It's A Lot has charted here in Australia and has 400,000 downloads a month.. A pretty good effort for a show made in her lounge room floor when she's “red wine drunk” with mates.  
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Today we travel to the UK to chat with one of my favourite representatives of humanity. Fearne Cotton is British radio and TV royalty. She began her career age 15 as host of The Disney Club after winning some local competition…and then spent the next 25 years broadcasting to the nation, everything from Top of the Pops, BBC radio1 and 2, the Golden Globes, BAFTAS and a bunch of Royal family things. 
She's published 10 chart-topping books, including kids mental health books, is on The Prince's Trust, has a 3.4 million following on Instagram and has a podcast, Happy Place, that's had more than 40 million downloads.

But I know Fearne only as a friend…and a social media pen pal type friend at that. We send VMs on WhatsApp late at night when we can't sleep and when we're troubled, and we talk about life and humans…not so much our lives…but Big Life.

Fearne has just put out a book about living honestly and so I thought it might be a good time to have one of the chats we have at lonely hours but in a visual volley out in the open with you lot.

Like me, Fearne is on that constant journey of managing her anxiety and the complexities of life. Which is why I trust her – she doesn't purport to have arrived. Oh, and FYI, in this chat we talk about EMDR, which is a type of therapy Fearne and I have both used. 
Read more: https://www.emdr.com/what-is-emdr/ 

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Ok this is a little bonus we've thrown into the series. Going forward I'll do some random episodes where I go hunt down someone I mention in my books or travels broadly, someone you've got super curious about, to see where things wound up for them. A Where Are They Now with my nomadic encounters as dictated by your intrigue! 

Many of you who have read This One Wild and Precious Life will recall The Lady in Red and some of you became pretty obsessed with her. ‘Tho, if you've not read my book, this story should have universal appeal.
Four years ago, while researching my book, I wound up in Ljubljana, the stunningly quaint capital of Slovenia and the world's only car-less capital city that's been voted greenest city in the EU several times over. I noticed this Lady In Red, a young woman sitting on her own who, for 45 minutes, just sat there with soft eyes in a chosen stillness.
She became a social media meme, a story that spread, an inspiration (I've put her image up in my feed again, as a reminder, and for those of you still wanting to get a visual).

Anyway, mid-pandemic lockdown I tracked down the Lady in Red (a fun journey in international connecting!) and got her update, asking her all the questions you've wanted to ask of her over the years….

I also flag that I'm taking requests to track down other people-of-intrigue via my NEW! Newsletter sarahwilson.substack.com ...this is where I now do the considered connecting I seek (please do subscribe!).

Find Lady in Red's image here (I'll also post video snippets of our recent chat)
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David Whyte is the guy who got me into poetry; Steven Spielberg has said the same of the Irish poet and philosopher who leads hiking/poetry tours around the world and works with Sam Harris on his meditation app.David trained as a marine biologist and was a naturalist guide in the Galapagos, the Amazon and Himalayas, before becoming a professional poet because, as I heard him explain once, the language of science wasn't largest enough to convey existence.
Not long after I first read David's writing, I was at a cafe in a small town where my nomadic journey had landed me, when a friend walked over and invited me to join him and his mate... it was David. Since then we've met up a few times and I hiked with him and his family in the Lake District in the footsteps of Wordsworth (I detail the hike in This One Wild and Precious Life). David's work taught me stillness and patience, and got me to love and honour my aloneness…and introduced me to the wild idea I discuss with David in this episode: One of the most important disciplines of a human life is to ask beautiful questions…to ask them in unbeautiful moments, to ask them courageously and vulnerably.  Many of you have requested David joins my podcast and TBH, this is a very special episode. 

David has just wrapped up his Sunday talking sessions he referred to in the episode, and he will be announcing more dates soon.
Keep an eye on his website for details: https://davidwhyte.com/

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Saul Griffith is a mad inventor, an official “genius” (as per the prestigious Macarthur Fellowship, um, wait for it, for his prodigy of service in the world community) and he has a fix for the climate crisis! Electrify everything! US President Joe Biden vibed with it so much he made the Australian his climate advisor. 
I first came across Saul on one of my eternal searches for legit climate solutions that bring true excitement and hope to humans.  For years I've wanted to pick apart his wild idea summed up in his new book, written for President Joe Biden, Electrify: An Optimist's Playbook For Our Clean Energy Future. The gist is this: We can get to those 2030 targets required for our survival on this planet, using technology that already exists and if he had to choose a country in the world where it can happen the fastest and with the biggest economic win he'd say, Australia!
Saul is a lot of fun, swears a touch (be warned!), rides a bike everywhere, barely wears shoes and rather infamously (according to the interwebs) pointed out the carbon footprint of his underpants in his 2006 TED talk.
The Electrify the lot and fast mantra is one I buy into…to a point. We still must consume less…way less. Saul agrees. We are going to talk further...
Watch Saul's TED Talk here
https://www.ted.com/talks/saul_griffith_everyday_inventions?language=en 

Saul's new book Electrify: An Optimist's Playbook For Our Clean Energy Future is available in the US now, find it here and getting an Australian version soon.
Saul would love for you to source a copy from his favourite local book shop in Thirroul:
https://collinsbooksthirroul.com.au/p/electrify-an-optimists-playbook-for-our-clean-energy-future-87f36d28-7c27-4d98-b406-c6fe0576ab68?barcode=9780262046237. 

Explore the exciting world of Saul's inventions and ideas here
https://www.saulgriffith.com/ 

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British writer Oliver Burkeman has investigated pretty much every productivity hack, mindfulness trick, list-making system and happiness boost we've ever been fed. He concludes, almost none work. Ha!I followed Oliver's column in The Guardian, which he wrote from his home in Brooklyn, New York, for about 10 years and he is definitely my favourite anti-self-help self-help writer!It's been a few years since his last book, The Antidote: Happiness for People Who Can't Stand Positive Thinking, and just as I found myself asking where Oliver Burkeman was at since quitting his popular column last year, I noticed he had a new book out that makes the startling point - we have a very short time on this planet, about Four Thousand Weeks (also the title of the book).  
This is the wild idea we discuss in this episode. Oliver asks life is short, so what are you going to do about it? 

Here are the references from our chat: 
The Pomodoro timer app here
https://zapier.com/blog/best-pomodoro-apps/ 
Four Thousand Weeks by Oliver Burkeman here
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/1922147656/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=247&creative=1211&creativeASIN=1922147656&linkCode=as2&tag=sarahwilsonau-22&linkId=314bf030d7fd75b00831808ccfedfcfb 

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Ahead of COP26, the most important climate conference of our times, I called out to listeners to ask me whatever is on their mind, or in the hearts, about the climate crisis we are living through.
My new producer Cassie (lives in Melbourne, interests include rock trivia, the beach and tea) chose some of your questions and played them to me cold. Me (interests include climate trivia!), well, I did my best to answer them based on my slightly obsessed layperson's knowledge and opinions. What is COP? What can I do to make a difference? How do I vote climate? It was pretty rapid-fire, but I promised to include back-up links and references here in the show notes. There are a few…knock yourselves out!

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What is COP26?
https://drawdown.org/solutions
Renewable energy is cheaper than running existing coal
Jobs in renewable energy
Savings in avoiding climate change
Markets moving economic costs, Australia's climate inaction
Lack of climate action cost over 50 years
Grattan report on gridlock records
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/big-deal
https://theyvoteforyou.org.au
Companies pledges to halve emissions by 2030

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Six months ago my friend linked me to an interview with British entrepreneur and troublemaking activist Clare Dubois because he reckoned “she talks your language, Sarah”. I was moved to my viscera from the moment she launched her gloriously, inspired riff.
Clare talks a profoundly wild idea that resonates for me:  We are about to send ourselves, as a species, extinct. No one is going to come and save us, but trees might just. 

Clare is a business coach and founder of the Treesisters reforestation charity and she now lives in California. She's a global leader in arguing that our salvation can be led by businesses embedding trees into every financial transaction. She argues that trees can fix many things... and can teach us how to be boldly human again.

Learn more about Treesisters: https://treesisters.org/ 

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References from this episode:
The Overstory - Richard Powers here
The Hidden Life of Trees: What They Feel, How They Communicate – Discoveries from a Secret World - Peter Wohlleben here
Martin Luther King Jnr speech about staying awake for the revolution here

This episode covers some pretty heavy stuff around sexual abuse. If that's something you're not comfortable listening to, I recommend skipping ahead to around the 10 minute mark.

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British philosopher and environmentalist Timothy Morton is regarded as the most powerful figure in the contemporary art world. Tim - who goes by the pronoun “they" - has worked with Bjork, Jeff Bridges, Pharrell Williams, NASA and on Steve Coogan's series The Trip. They've also written more than 250 essays on ecology, Mary Shelley, gastronomy, Talking Heads, Heidegger and… concrete. They've also published 17 books; the latest is Hyposubjects: on becoming human. Me, I read Tim's work as a pleasurable brain sport and I draw on some of their ideas in my book ‘This One Wild and Precious Life', but Tim is also a deeply generous and compassionate human with an intimate understanding of why we struggle to solve the climate crisis and face our demise. We share our sadness around all this in this chat.
All of Tim's ideas are wild, so instead of focusing on one wild idea, I fired a bunch of questions, rapid fire.
My friends, be prepared for some genre-traversing calisthenics.
BTW I confess I struggled terribly with remembering Tim's correct pronoun in parts of the podcast. No disrespect is intended…change to language patterns can take time!

More info on Timothy Morton and purchase Hyposubjects: on becoming human: ecologywithoutnature.blogspot.com
Read Pessimism of the Intellect Optimism of the Will: www.centreforoptimism.com/Pessimism-of-the-Intellect-Optimism-of-the-Will
The George Carlin skit referred to:www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
I write about Timothy in my book 'This One Wild and Precious Life' available:
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Tara June Winch is the Miles Franklin winning author of The Yield and a proud Wiradjuri woman.

I reached out to her after seeing her speak on an emotional, all-female panel at the Sydney Writer's Festival earlier this year where she  brought the room to tears with her confronting and - to my mind - true comments about Australian identity; "being Aussie is a mental health crisis”.

In this conversation we explore accessing mania as part of the creative process, not having to be broken to be creative, questioning identity and we break down the real meaning of being Australian.

Tara is currently living in France working on her next book, unable to return to Australia due to the pandemic. We have been emailing each other - pen pal-style since our chat!

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Tara June Winch's book recommendations from this episode:
Too Much Lip, Melissa Lucashenko
Bila Yarrudhanggalangdhuray: River of Dreams  Anita Heiss
After Story, Larissa Behrendt
Ghost River, Tony Birch
How To Make A Basket, Jazz Money

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