Gavin Newsom is taking time away from running the world’s 5th largest economy to… talk to Steve Bannon? On this episode, host Radhika Jones, along with Claire Howorth and Michael Calderone, discuss the California Governor’s outreach to right-wingers through his new podcast, ‘This Is Gavin Newsom,’ and whether he’s effectively countering the MAGA media machine. They also revisit Newsom’s trailblazing decision on gay marriage, along with that infamous rug photo, and explore whether the Govcaster’s chat show could help—or hinder—his chances of one day landing atop the Democratic ticket.