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  • WCA #617 with Anthony Gravino: Leaving Chicago, High Cross Sound, and Building the Studio You Want to Work In

    For episode 617, Matt welcomes back Anthony Gravino, musician and recording, mixing, and mastering engineer, nearly a decade after his first appearance on WCA 137. In 2020, Anthony sold The Drake, his Chicago studio of 14 years, bought a converted 1940s horse barn just outside Urbana, Illinois, and turned it into High Cross Sound, a 2,100 square foot studio and home. They talk about why he left Chicago, what drew him to the barn, tracking 14 straight days with Kurt Elling and Charlie Hunter three months after moving in, the Champaign-Urbana music scene, and the business side of owning, living in, and working out of the same building.

    In This Episode, We Discuss:

    • 14 Years in Chicago: The Drake Studio on Drake Avenue
    • Why Anthony Left: Gentrification, Property Taxes, the Pandemic, and Seeing the Right Property at the Right Time
    • The Old Horse Barn: 25-Foot Peak Ceilings, Curved Wooden Walls, and Listening to Drums Before Signing
    • Building High Cross Sound: Control Room, Isolation Booth, and Wiring a Former Home Into a Studio
    • Kurt Elling and Charlie Hunter: 14 Straight Days, Three Months After Moving In
    • The Psychology of Vertical Space and Natural Light on Musicians
    • Champaign-Urbana: REO Speedwagon, the Rose Bowl Tavern, and a Music Scene Bigger Than Its Studio Supply
    • Moving During the Pandemic: Every Session Canceled in March, Perfect Time to Be Out of Commission
    • Selling the Chicago Building After Buying in 2006, Financing at 2.5% Interest
    • Dropping the API Console, Going to a Small Mixer and Outboard Preamps
    • Keeping the Rate, Then Raising It When He Saw What Others Were Charging
    • Isolated Ground, a Private Transformer Shared With Three Houses, and a Quieter Noise Floor
    • Living and Working in the Same Building: Tax Advantages When 80% Is Studio Space
    • Music Videos, University Work, and the Snowball Rolling Down the Hill
    • The Pool: More Romanticized by Clients Than Actually Used

    Matt’s RANT!: Your Mindset

    Links and Show Notes:

    • Anthony Gravino on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/anthonygravino/
    • Anthony Gravino on Bandcamp: https://anthonygravino.bandcamp.com
    • WCA Episode 137 with Anthony Gravino: https://www.workingclassaudio.com/wca-137-with-anthony-gravino/

    Credits:

    • Guest: Anthony Gravino
    • Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau
    • WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
    • The Voice: Chuck Smith

    1 hr 3 min
  • WCA #616 with Sylvia Massy: Microphone History, the Bob Paquette Collection, and The Great Book of Vintage Microphones

    Sylvia Massy returns to Working Class Audio for the first time since Episode 14 back in 2015. She joins Matt from her studio in Ashland, Oregon to talk about her new book, The Great Book of Vintage Microphones, co-authored with Chris Johnson. To write it, Sylvia and Chris acquired the entire estate collection of Milwaukee radio legend Bob Paquette: 3,500 microphones kept together rather than cherry-picked apart. The book covers 100 years of microphone history, from David Edward Hughes's 1877 burnt-stick carbon transducer to the ribbons and condensers most engineers grew up with.

    In This Episode, We Discuss:
    • The Studio in Ashland: Converted Radiator Shop, Five-Bay Garage, Concrete Construction
    • Chris Joshnson: Co-Author, Life Partner, and the Man Who Negotiated a Microphone Museum
    • Bob Paquette's Collection: 3,500 Mics, Milwaukee Radio History, and Keeping It Together
    • The First Microphone: David Edward Hughes, 1877, a Burnt Carbon Stick
    • Crystal Mics, Carbon Telephone Elements, and Technology That Lasted Into the 1990s
    • Condenser Development: From a Wooden Box Power Supply Down to the Pencil Condensers We Use Today
    • The First Directional Microphone
    • A Condenser That Went to the South Pole With Admiral Byrd
    • The Glow Discharge Mic: Plasma Between Two Electrodes, Banned After 1928
    • Art Deco Mics That Looked Like Spaceships and Sounded Worse Because of Their Cases
    • Western Electric Birdcage, Tadpole Mics, Bakelite, and the 1947 Astatic 600S
    • The ChicLet: Color Options
    • Pearl Mics From Sweden and the 6102 RFP
    • Sylvia's Favorite Mic for Female Vocal
    • Microphone Seeds: Ribbons, Dynamics, and Condensers

    Matt’s RANT!: Client Mix Approval ServerLinks and Show Notes:
    • Sylvia Massy
    • Preorder The Great Book of Vintage Microphones
    • WCA Episode 14 with Sylvia Massy (2015)

    Credits:
    • Guest: Sylvia Massy
    • Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau
    • WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
    • The Voice: Chuck Smith

    45 min
  • WCA #615 with Michael Frondelli, Part 2: Los Angeles, Capitol Records, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, and the Long View on Audio

    For episode 615, Matt concludes his two-part conversation with Michael Frondelli, picking up in Los Angeles where Keith Forsey and Richie Zito brought him west. Michael landed at Giorgio Moroder’s Oasis Studios, where he worked on the Breakfast Club soundtrack, Beverly Hills Cop, and the world premiere digital playback of Moroder’s restored Metropolis. He went on to eleven years as Vice President of Capitol Records Studios, where his first artist was Frank Sinatra and he quietly produced Big Bad Voodoo Daddy on a $100,000 investment that grossed $7 million. They also talk about AI and copyright, the importance of pre-production, apprenticeships in audio, network as the real currency of a career, and what Phil Ramone told him about what recording engineers actually do.

    In This Episode, We Discuss:
    • Moving to Los Angeles via Keith Forsey and Richie Zito
    • Giorgio Moroder’s Oasis Studios: Breakfast Club, Beverly Hills Cop, and Three Films at Once
    • The World Premiere Digital Playback of Moroder’s Restored Metropolis
    • East Coast vs West Coast Recording Culture
    • Keeping an Apartment in Brooklyn and One in LA
    • VP of Capitol Records Studios: How He Got the Job
    • Learning to Run a $5 Million Business
    • The First Business Plan Ever Written for Capitol Studios
    • Frank Sinatra as the First Artist: Phil Ramone, Al Schmitt, and Building a Custom Vocal Booth
    • Union Negotiations, Health Benefits, and Taking Care of the Staff
    • Being Told He Was Too Old to Start a Label at 44
    • Big Bad Voodoo Daddy: $100,000 In, $7 Million Gross, 500,000 Records by May
    • Crowded House, Gary Stamper, and Don’t Dream It’s Over
    • AI, Copyright, and Why You Must Register Before You Use the Platform
    • Apprenticeships, the Music Producers Guild, and Passing It On
    • Network as the Real Currency of a Career
    • Still Working: James Gadson, Autism Speaks, and Making Records

    Matt’s RANT!: Matt’s DadLinks and Show Notes:
    • Michael Frondelli
    • WCA #614 with Michael Frondelli, Part 1
    • Vincent Boudreau — Obituary

    Credits:
    • Guest: Michael Frondelli
    • Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau
    • WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
    • The Voice: Chuck Smith

    1 hr 7 min
  • WCA #614 with Michael Frondelli, Part 1 – Astoria, R&B Days, Salsa Nights, and Electric Lady

    For episode 614, Matt talks with Michael Frondelli, producer, engineer, and former Vice President of Capitol Records Studios, where he ran the facility for eleven years before going independent in 2001. Michael grew up in Astoria, Queens. Tony Bennett took vocal lessons with his Uncle Sal. The Walken family ran the bakery on Steinway Street. He came up playing guitar in soul bands and rock bands in the 60s, studied business in college, landed a maintenance tech job at Broadway Recording on 1697 Broadway, and from there made his way to Electric Lady in November 1975, where he spent nine years. This is Part 1 of a two-part conversation.

    In This Episode, We Discuss:

    • Growing Up in Astoria, Queens
    • Music in the Family and Learning Guitar
    • Soul Bands, Rock Bands, and the 60s
    • College, the Draft Lottery, and Moving to Manhattan
    • Carpentry, Soundproofing, and Finding a Way Into Recording
    • Broadway Recording at 1697 Broadway
    • Learning to Listen, Watch, and Visualize Signal Path
    • Landing at Electric Lady in 1975
    • Nine Years in the Room: Zeppelin, Chick Corea, Jaco Pastorius, Joni Mitchell
    • Working With Eddie Kramer on Song Remains the Same
    • Rebel Yell: Finding Billy Idol a Drummer
    • Keith Forsey, Charlie Sexton, and Don't You Forget About Me
    • Getting Management and Learning the Business
    • Going From $5 an Hour to $2,500 a Mix

    Matt's RANT!: Revisiting Backing Up and Archiving

    Links and Show Notes:

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    Credits:

    • Guest: Michael Frondelli
    • Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau
    • WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
    • The Voice: Chuck Smith

    55 min
  • WCA #613 with Ben Mellott – Northern Virginia, Church Sound, Farm Festivals, and Profit First

    For episode 613, Matt talks with Ben Mellott — recording engineer, mixer, and owner of Nothing but Noise studio in Northern Virginia. Ben has been freelance since 2014, balances studio work with live production at churches, farms, and local venues, and runs every dollar through the Profit First system. They talk about building a career on curiosity, the alternative path through cassette manufacturing and church sound, and why the business side of audio doesn't sound like fun until it absolutely is.

    In This Episode, We Discuss:

    • Northern Virginia, Born and Raised
    • A Dad at Toys R Us and a Mom in the Church Choir
    • Recording Bands on a Tascam Four-Track at Ten Dollars a Song
    • The Recording Workshop in Chillicothe, Ohio — Audio Boot Camp
    • Learning Signal Flow Before Hardware
    • Manufacturing Cassettes and CDs at Lion Recording
    • Moving Into Graphics — Quark Express, InDesign, and Terrible Early Websites
    • Roadie and Merch for a Month-Long US Tour With Frodus
    • Getting the Farm Festival Gig
    • Ten Years of Sunday Church Sound — and What He Learned About Temperament
    • The Drummer in the Crowd Who Got Him the Venue Gig
    • Real-Life Social Proof — Likable Enough (For a Live Sound Guy)
    • Curiosity as a Career Strategy
    • Nothing But Noise — The Studio and the Freelance Life Since 2014
    • Debt, an Inheritance That Didn't Change the Slope, and the Pandemic
    • Implementing the Profit First System
    • Of Every Thousand Dollars, Only $150 Is Spendable — and Why That's the Point
    • Self-Financing Gear and Paying Yourself Back on a Payment Plan
    • The Sweetwater Rep Who Said You've Got a Lot of Gear
    • The Business Side Doesn't Sound Like Fun Until It Is

    Matt's RANT!: Doing Things the Alternative Way

    Links and Show Notes:

    • Nothing but Noise
    • Profit First — Mike Michalowicz (book)
    • Profit First — Audiobook on Libro.fm
    • WCA #133 with Alan Evans
    • WCA #328 with Alan Evans
    • WCA #576 with Alan Evans

    Credits:

    Guest: Ben Mellott

    Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau

    WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

    The Voice: Chuck Smith

    1 hr 7 min
  • WCA #612 with Brian Starley – Utah, Cartage, Building a Studio in LA, and Relationships Before Gear

    For episode 612, Matt talks with Brian Starley recording and mixing engineer based in North Hollywood, California, and owner of Bergatron Music Studio. Brian grew up in Salt Lake City with a dad who transferred vinyl to cassette for the car, chased a hockey career to Ontario, came home to Utah without a plan, and found recording through a coworker who'd interned at the Blasting Room. After learning Pro Tools at twenty bucks an hour and getting out of Utah in 2005, he landed at Musicians Institute in LA and then at Lon Cohen Studio Rentals a cartage company where he spent six years moving Tim Pierce's guitars and Mike Elizondo's Logic rig around the city. After going freelance in 2013, he built a YouTube live session channel, had his busiest mixing years during COVID, and then spent the better part of two years fighting LA permits, tariffs, and a construction crew to build his dream studio — refinancing the house to do it. They talk about what cartage taught him about gear and sessions, the mobile recording revelation that shaped his whole approach, building a studio in 2025 LA, the stress that put him in the hospital with diverticulitis, and why you should focus on relationships before gear.

    In This Episode, We Discuss:

    - Growing Up in Salt Lake City, Utah — The Zion Curtain

    - A Dad Who Transferred Vinyl to Cassette and Filled the Car With Music

    - Hockey, Rage Against the Machine, and a Dream of the NHL

    - Moving to Shelburne, Ontario to Play Junior Hockey

    - Coming Home to Utah and Finding Construction Work for His Dad

    - A Coworker From the Blasting Room Who Changed Everything

    - Learning Pro Tools at Twenty Bucks an Hour on a Digi 001

    - Getting Into Trouble and Getting Out of Utah — Moving to LA in 2005

    - Musicians Institute and Finding the Path Into Recording

    - Landing at Lawn — a Cartage Company for LA's Top Session Musicians

    - Tim Pierce, Joe Chiccarelli, Abe Laboriel Sr., and What Cartage Taught Him

    - Mike Elizondo's Logic Rig and the Mobile Recording Revelation

    - Scab Dates, Church Choirs, and Recording With a Handful of Mics

    - Post Production School, Roger Nichols, and Getting Certified in Pro Tools

    - Going Freelance in 2013

    - Live Sessions at Custom Vintage Keys With JJ Blair and the Boba Jam Channel

    - The Decision to Build a Studio — and Reaching Out to Josh Nyback in 2023

    - Two and a Half Years of Permits, Hidden Fees, and LA Bureaucracy

    - Refinancing the House to Fund the Build

    - Tariffs, Construction Costs, and Watching the Budget Disappear

    - Supervising a General Contractor Who Didn't Know What a Studio Was

    - Isomax Clips, Green Glue, and Checking Every Screw

    - Diverticulitis in November From the Stress of the Build

    - His Wife Allie — The Person Who Got Them Through It

    - Crying in the Finished Room When They First Put the Speakers Up

    - California Disability Insurance for Freelancers — and the Scott McDowell Episode

    - You Don't Need All the Gear — Build Relationships First

    - Support the Ecosystem — Book Studios, Pay for Mastering

    Matt's RANT!: Things Matt Is Doing

    Links

    • Bergatron Music
    • Brian Starley – Credits (Muso.ai)
    • Brian Starley (Instagram)
    • Brian Starley (TikTok)
    • Bergatron Music – Studio Build Videos (YouTube)
    • Josh Nyback – Nyback Builds
    • Nyback Builds (Instagram)
    • WCA #611 with Scott McDowell — California Disability Insurance
    • Libro.fm — Audiobooks
    • Four Thousand Weeks — Oliver Burkeman
    • M-DISC — Wikipedia
    • Steinberg SpectraLayers

    Credits:

    - Guest: Brian Starley

    - Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau

    - WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

    - The Voice: Chuck Smith

    1 hr 11 min
  • WCA #611 with Scott McDowell – Berklee, California vs New York, Getting Fired, Becoming a Studio Partner, and Getting Hit by a Car

    Scott McDowell is a producer, engineer, and co-owner of Wally's Hydeout at Hyde Street Studios in San Francisco. In episode 611 they talk about getting fired from his first SF internship, becoming a studio partner at Wally’s Hydeout, surviving COVID, getting hit by a car in March 2026, recovering from a TBI, and why every freelancer in California needs to sign up for state disability insurance before something happens.

    In This Episode, We Discuss:

    • Co-owning a Studio, Making Records, and Working in Game Audio
    • Growing Up in Novato — North Marin County
    • A Broadcast Engineer Dad
    • Working Niners Games on the Sideline
    • Heading to Berklee for Trumpet
    • A Hernia That Ended the Trumpet Career and Started the Recording One
    • City College SF, SF Soundworks, and Getting Fired
    • John Vanderslice, Tiny Telephone, and the Referral to Justin Phelps
    • Interning at Hyde Street Studios With Justin Phelps and Jaimeson Durr
    • Filling the Calendar for Six Months to Avoid Being Replaced — Then Getting Made a Partner
    • The CDR Run That He Thought Was a Firing
    • Eight Years of Game Audio
    • COVID Survival
    • Getting Hit by a Car in Northridge
    • The TBI, the Wheelchair, and Coming Back
    • California Disability Insurance Elective Coverage — Why Every Freelancer Should Sign Up

    Matt's RANT!: Accumulation

    Links and Show Notes:

    • Fader Solo: https://fadersolo.com/
    • California Disability Insurance Elective Coverage (EDD): https://edd.ca.gov/en/payroll_taxes/Disability_Insurance_Elective_Coverage/
    • WCA #082 with Justin Phelps: https://www.workingclassaudio.com/wca-082-justin-phelps/
    • WCA #211 with Jaimeson Durr: https://www.workingclassaudio.com/wca-211-with-jaimeson-durr/
    • WCA #047 with John Vanderslice: https://www.workingclassaudio.com/wca-047-with-john-vanderslice/

    Credits:

    • Guest: Scott McDowell
    • Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau
    • WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
    • The Voice: Chuck Smith

    1 hr 9 min
  • WCA #610 with Stephen Shirk – Bloomington, New York, Chicago, and Twenty Years of SHIRK Studios

    For episode 610, Matt talks with Stephen Shirk — engineer, producer, guitarist, and owner of SHIRK Studios in Chicago's West Town neighborhood. Stephen grew up in Bloomington, Illinois, studied business at Miami University, moved to New York in 1998 with a friend's couch as his launch pad, and worked his way through the Hit Factory and a jingle house where he built Pro Tools systems, got his SAG card, and learned from Jay Messina. In 2004 he moved to Chicago, rented studio spaces for a decade, and in 2013 bought the building he now runs as a semi-commercial studio with a Sphere console, instruments on every wall, and a deliberately un-sterile feel. They talk about the HearYa live sessions that built his early reputation, word-of-mouth marketing and what comes next, Steve Albini and Electrical Audio, owning vs. renting in Chicago's studio ecosystem, and getting back out to shows.

    In This Episode, We Discuss:

    - Growing Up in Bloomington, Illinois

    - Church Choir, Guitar at Fourth Grade, and Early Bands

    - A Business Degree at Miami University and Playing in Bands

    - Moving to New York in 1998 With a Friend's Couch as a Launch Pad

    - Learning Pro Tools Version 4 on the Fly

    - Starting at the Hit Factory as a General Assistant

    - The Culture Shock of New York Speed — and Learning to Shut Up

    - Moving to a Jingle House: More Engineering, More Money, a Synclavier

    - Building Pro Tools Systems and Getting a Pager From the Boss

    - Learning From Jay Messina (Early Aerosmith, Jack Douglas)

    - Getting His SAG Card and Discovering Mailbox Money

    - Moving to Chicago in 2004 and Renting Studio Spaces

    - Buying the Building in 2013 and the History Behind It

    - SHIRK Studios: Semi-Commercial, Instruments on Every Wall

    - Avoiding the Sterile Studio — Guilford of Maine Walls and Why He Hates Them

    - Word of Mouth Marketing and Wondering What's Next

    - Chicago's Studio Scene: Narwhal, Brian Deck, and the DIY Wave

    - Steve Albini and Electrical Audio

    - Owning the Building vs. Renting — Lessons From Chicago Studios

    - Live-Work Lofts as an Option for Engineer-Owners

    - Getting Back Out to Shows and Reconnecting With the Scene

    - The Red Room: Chicago's Fifty-Cap DIY Listening Venue

    - Dana Nielsen Listening to the Episode and the Buttoned-Up Business

    Matt's RANT!: Getting the Job Done Part 2

    Links and Show Notes:

    - SHIRK Studios

    - WCA #363 with Chaz Root

    - WCA #137 with Anthony Gravino

    - WCA #607 with Dana Nielsen

    -WCA #164 with Steve Albini

    Credits:

    - Guest: Stephen Shirk

    - Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau

    - WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

    - The Voice: Chuck Smith

    59 min
  • WCA #609 with Eric M Lichter – Martha's Vineyard, New York, Connecticut, and the Beauty Marks That Make a Record

    For episode 609, Matt talks with Eric M Lichter — multi-instrumentalist, producer, and owner of Dirt Floor Recording in Connecticut, where he’s been in business for twenty years. Eric came up singing in chorus, spent time on Martha’s Vineyard playing the Hot Tin Roof and landing in Carly Simon’s living room with Danny Kortchmar and Jerry Marotta in the liner notes, then moved to New York, recorded at Sear Sound on a Polygram AR’s dime, and eventually landed back in Connecticut to open a studio on a wing and a prayer in 2006. They talk about the Ed Wood approach to recording — get the vibe before the moment is gone — why he leaves the beauty marks in, pitching a studio to 90-year-old landlords, keeping a tight ship with bankers hours, vetting clients for energy, a proposal-based pricing model, and the Caribou Ranch mentality that has everyone leaving with fresh eggs from the chickens out back.

    In This Episode, We Discuss:

    • Twenty Years of Dirt Floor Recording in Connecticut
    • Growing Up in a Sports-First Town and Finding His Voice in Chorus
    • The Soccer Coach Who Changed His Life
    • John Mayer, Keith Richards, and Goose — Connecticut’s Quiet Music Scene
    • The Hot Tin Roof on Martha’s Vineyard — and Carly Simon’s Living Room
    • Danny Kortchmar, Jerry Marotta, and Reading the Credits as a Kid
    • New York City, Polygram, and Recording at Sear Sound
    • Failing Guitar 101 in College and Trusting the Natural Thing
    • The Troubadour Years — Singer-Songwriter on the Road
    • Watching His Brother Make a Record With Jerry Marotta at Jarysville
    • Discovering Tape Op and Saying Out Loud “I’m Going to Be in That Magazine”
    • Starting Dirt Floor in Chester, Connecticut in 2006
    • The Ed Wood Approach: Getting the Vibe Before the Moment Is Gone
    • Beauty Marks — Why He Leaves the Imperfections In
    • Why Real Music Is Winning Against AI
    • Kids Discovering Van Halen and AC/DC on Their Own
    • Ethan Johns, Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner — Who Inspired Him
    • The Rented House That Became Dirt Floor’s Current Home
    • Pitching a Studio to 90-Year-Old Landlords — and Winning Them Over
    • Keeping Overhead Low — The Case for Renting vs. Owning
    • Vetting Artists: Why He Turns Down Projects That Drain the Room
    • Bankers Hours: 9:30 to 5:30 and Going Home
    • Other Engineers Working Nights — The Studio Humming When He’s Not There
    • Pricing by Proposal — Hourly, Day Rate, and Full Project Budget
    • The Caribou Ranch Mentality — Full Hospitality for Artists Who Stay
    • Everybody Leaves With Eggs — The Dirt Floor Signature

    In This Episode, We Discuss:

    • Twenty Years of Dirt Floor Recording in Connecticut
    • Growing Up in a Sports-First Town and Finding His Voice in Chorus
    • The Soccer Coach Who Changed His Life
    • John Mayer, Keith Richards, and Goose — Connecticut’s Quiet Music Scene
    • The Hot Tin Roof on Martha’s Vineyard — and Carly Simon’s Living Room
    • Danny Kortchmar, Jerry Marotta, and Reading the Credits as a Kid
    • New York City, Polygram, and Recording at Sear Sound
    • Failing Guitar 101 in College and Trusting the Natural Thing
    • The Troubadour Years — Singer-Songwriter on the Road
    • Watching His Brother Make a Record With Jerry Marotta at Jarysville
    • Discovering Tape Op and Saying Out Loud “I’m Going to Be in That Magazine”
    • Starting Dirt Floor in Chester, Connecticut in 2006
    • The Ed Wood Approach: Getting the Vibe Before the Moment Is Gone
    • Beauty Marks — Why He Leaves the Imperfections In
    • Why Real Music Is Winning Against AI
    • Kids Discovering Van Halen and AC/DC on Their Own
    • Ethan Johns, Jack Antonoff, Aaron Dessner — Who Inspired Him
    • The Rented House That Became Dirt Floor’s Current Home
    • Pitching a Studio to 90-Year-Old Landlords — and Winning Them Over
    • Keeping Overhead Low — The Case for Renting vs. Owning
    • Vetting Artists: Why He Turns Down Projects That Drain the Room
    • Bankers Hours: 9:30 to 5:30 and Going Home
    • Other Engineers Working Nights — The Studio Humming When He’s Not There
    • Pricing by Proposal — Hourly, Day Rate, and Full Project Budget
    • The Caribou Ranch Mentality — Full Hospitality for Artists Who Stay
    • Everybody Leaves With Eggs — The Dirt Floor Signature

    Matt’s RANT!: Getting the Job Done!

    Links and Show Notes:

    • Dirt Floor Recording
    • WCA #363 with Chaz Root
    • WCA #341 with Cynthia Daniels
    • WCA #552 with Daniel Holter
    • WCA #575 with Michael Beinhorn
    • Tape Op Magazine

    Credits:

    • Guest: Eric M Lichter
    • Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau
    • WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell
    • The Voice: Chuck Smith

    1 hr 14 min
  • WCA #608 with Julian Kindred – Canada, America, England, and Thirty-Five Years of Making Records

    For episode 608, Matt talks with Julian Kindred — Canadian producer, engineer, and songwriter based in London, where he runs Nonsuch Park Studio in Epsom, Surrey. Julian grew up in St. John, New Brunswick — a working-class port city he describes as a place where people punched in all week and played blues in bars on the weekend — and found his way into recording through a part-time job at a music shop and access to synthesizers. Too broke for Berklee, he took a corporate function band gig that got him to Nashville, where he cold-called Music Row for a year and a half before landing a spot at Studio Nineteen. Ten years on Music Row followed, and then a move to London in 2003. They talk about what Nashville taught him about song craft and on-the-floor tracking, learning persistence in two different cultures, surviving a lull before the Ellie Goulding record turned things around, managing money as a freelancer, and why longevity attracts a different kind of client than talent alone ever did. Enjoy!

    In This Episode, We Discuss:

    - Growing Up in St. John, New Brunswick

    - "Sultans of Swing" as a Portrait of His Hometown

    - A Musical Family and a Father Who Taught Guitar

    - Keyboards at Eleven and a Part-Time Job at a Music Shop

    - Access to Synthesizers and the Recording Bug

    - Too Broke for Berklee — and the Corporate Function Band That Got Him to Nashville

    - Cold-Calling Music Row for a Year and a Half

    - Studio Nineteen: A Five-Week Course, a Trident Desk, and Patsy Cline's Living Room

    - Learning the Craft in Nashville's Legendary Rooms

    - What Ten Years on Music Row Taught Him About Song Craft

    - On-the-Floor Tracking: Finishing a Record in One Session

    - Nashville vs. London: Tracking Rooms, Production Rooms, and Culture

    - Moving to London in 2003 for a Woman — and Building a Career From Scratch

    - Learning Persistence in Two Different Cultures

    - The Lull, the Ellie Goulding Record, and the Comeback

    - Universal, Polydor, and Building a Repeat Client Base in the UK

    - Nonsuch Park Studio: A Purpose-Built Room in the Back of the Garden

    - Managing Money as a Freelancer: Living Below Your Means

    - Why Longevity Attracts a Different Kind of Client

    - The Conversations About You That You'll Never Hear

    Matt's RANT!: Random Items

    Links and Show Notes:

    - Julian Kindred

    - Nonsuch Park Studio

    - DriveDX

    - ExifTool

    - NeoFinder

    Credits:

    - Guest: Julian Kindred

    - Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau

    - WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

    - The Voice: Chuck Smith

    1 hr 20 min

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